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03-12-2009, 08:01 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boca Raton, Florida
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| Nursing weak newborn by hand, have some questions... Hi, I posted this in my other thread but it seems either this forum is slow or the other thread is not so active. For those that don't know, our parti Sabrina gave birth to two parti females 6 days ago (Saturday, March 7). When they were born, they both seemed to be the same weight ( I didn't weigh them) one of them took to the nipple right away and has been feeding really well and has doubled in size since birth (currently weighs 5.0 oz) unlike her sister who currently weighs 2.45 oz. Her sister was having a hard time feeding from the mother, her head keeps bobbing allot and she doesn't seem to have enough energy to suck the milk out. We tried assisting the first two days by keeping her head on the nipple and squeezing the milk out but it is hard to tell if she was getting enough. Our local vet advised us to milk the mother into a syringe and feed the baby every 3 hours from the syringe. That seems to be working well and the baby is drinking allot and relieving herself but she is either a slow grower or her body is not getting the proper nutrients from the mothers milk. She is really small and is not as active as her big sister. her skin is also much redder than the sisters pink skin. We feed her until she pulls her head away and her stomach fills out (can't really feel rib cage). Is there any recommended supplements we should feed her to help get her energy level up? She also seems to cry more than her big sister, sometimes even when she is sleeping. The mother is a 5.5 lb parti and the father is a 4.5 lb. parti carrier. Thanks for your help in advance. Ruben |
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03-12-2009, 08:13 PM | #2 |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | I would definatley check to make sure this little one does not have a cleft. She is showing the symtoms of my cleft baby that I raised. Make sure she is gaining. If you have a digital scale, set it to grams, as it is way easier to tell gain or loss with grams. I would start feeding her yourself every two hours and keep her with mom. Make sure she stays warm as you never want to feed a cold baby. Is she showing strength? Are you seeing any milk come out of hr nose when she is eating? Congrats on your new babies! |
03-12-2009, 08:14 PM | #3 |
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| I am so sorry your little one is having problems. Here is a very good article that has some suggestions. You might try the glucose solution they mention: http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm Also at the top of this breeder section is a sticky for fading and weak puppies and the beef liver remedy. You might want to try that. I do pray that your little one starts to improve. |
03-12-2009, 08:19 PM | #4 | |
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Usually pups that cry are chilled.
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03-12-2009, 08:40 PM | #5 | |
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I checked her out and she doesn't have cleft based on the pictures I saw online of puppies with cleft. When I was trying to open her mouth she was fighting me so she does have some strength in her. We have been feeding her every three hours by hand and milk doesn't come out of her nose. She is drinking the milk and I feel in going into her stomach and also she her swallowing it. We've been keeping a heat pad in the play pen on warm. Thanks Ruben | |
03-12-2009, 08:51 PM | #6 | ||
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Thank you for all the great suggestions! This is a great place! Ruben | ||
03-13-2009, 04:18 AM | #7 | |
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I am pretty much a novice at raising puppies, so maybe another more experienced person will have better info for you. Good luck with everything. | |
03-13-2009, 02:03 PM | #8 |
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| Don't forget to burp this baby after eating a bit maybe even a couple times. If they eat from a bottle or syringe they will get air in the belly that makes them uncomfortable and look full when they really aren't. I just drape them in my hand and tap them lightly with one finger. You can hear and feel them burp. Its kind of funny. |
03-13-2009, 02:15 PM | #9 | |
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Oops! I'd forgotten about the burping of pups....But, syringe feeding with a nipple attached does cut down on gas bubbles. I don't bottle feed, I attach a preemie nippe to a syringe. I do NutriDrops and Benibac when they're first born. NutriDrops for a good head start and Benibac for good bacteria.
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03-13-2009, 06:30 PM | #10 |
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| We tried the beef liver water drops as mentioned above. We also started feeding her esbilac goat milk today since the mother doesn't seem to have as much milk any longer. I was helping her relieve herself and there is blood in the stool along with little clumps like mini fish eggs. Is this from the beef liver water? She doesn't seem to be getting much stronger, we are keeping her on a heating pad set to warm which is the lowest temperature. Ruben |
03-13-2009, 06:34 PM | #11 | |
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03-13-2009, 06:49 PM | #12 |
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| I'd say possibly worms. Also, it is possible to have a pin-hole sized cleft, that you can't really see in such a tiny mouth. That's what my Zaccheus had, and as he grew, it turned into a full mid-line cleft. I bottle fed him every hour to two hours for several weeks, kept him on a heating pad, and under a light, or sometimes in a pouch next to my heart. Keep us updated.
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03-13-2009, 06:55 PM | #13 | |
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Zacchie would cry more when he was overheated. Your heating pad may be a little too warm. You might try folding a towel or blanket on top of it, to give more layers between the pup and the pad. A warming light might be a better way to warm her. You can regulate the temperature better by the distance you place it over the pup. Put your hand under the lamp, and just over the baby. It should feel pretty warm, but not hot enough to be uncomfortable. Right now, the more calories she burns, the slower she will pick up weight.
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03-13-2009, 10:37 PM | #14 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boca Raton, Florida
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| Thank you Everyone. I took her to the 24 hour vet. Every time I go there I wake him up and he is the worst to deal with. His attitude always is why spend money trying to keep her alive, we can put her to sleep now. The cup is always half empty instead of half full with him. If it wasn't the advice of Mardelin and the rest of you, the doctor wouldn't of offered to do anything. So I demanded him to give her Dextrose and he wouldn't Sub-Q it but he administered it to her orally by the tube. He Sub-Q Dexameth SP as well. Her temperature is 94.7 degrees Diane, I picked up a 100 watt bulb and one of those reflector work lights and I am hanging it about 30" over her cage I have her in. I had the heating pad on low before and with towels on top of it but it is one of those fabric pillow heating pads that shuts off by itself every hour so it was impossible to keep it on all the time, so I like the light idea, I just don't want her to get too hot. Should it be a certain temperature in there? I'm using a large pasta pan for tonight with towels in it and the light 30" above it. Should it be vented all around like a play pen or something or its The air up to adequate? Thanks Ruben |
03-13-2009, 11:51 PM | #15 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boca Raton, Florida
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| Hi Everyone, Sad news she passed away at 3:30 am EST. We tried our best to revive her but it wasn't meant to be. She was having blood in her stool and was very weak. She was full and warm when she passed on. Thank you so much for being here to help. Ruben |
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