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02-15-2009, 07:13 PM | #1 |
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| MY DOG, MY CHOICE: Great web-site!! This website is so telling about the heartbreak all of us are feeling over the Extremists trying to take away our pets...... Customer Testimonials .....very well put together site for us!! For those breeders who do not like MANDATORY legisation!
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02-15-2009, 08:03 PM | #2 |
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| Hmm, that's an interesting site. I would generally be against most pet legislation just because I have strong tendencies toward liberty. I believe that they are attempting to do what they think is right by mandating such practices, but I also believe in a form of limited governing. Definitely made me think about my viewpoints on the issue. Thanks for posting!
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02-15-2009, 08:23 PM | #3 |
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| Good Post. If we want to live in a free society we are going to have to accept that there will be things that not everyone agrees with. If only we could get the door of tolerance to swing both ways.
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02-15-2009, 09:14 PM | #4 |
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| Thank you, great website.
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02-15-2009, 10:50 PM | #5 |
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| WOW....the world would be a sad sad place to live in, if we didnt have our pets. I'm all for animal rights, the right to have food, the right to have a home, the right to be well treated, and the right to LIVE! PETA's conquest to enforce animals' rights, has taken away the most important right of all, the right to Live. To me, this goal to kill out domesticated animals would go against any normal person's views on animal rights. Peta thinks it is much easier to get rid of the animals then having to actually do something about the misuse of animals. Its very true that millions of pets are just dropped off at animal shelters, or left to fend for themselves, if you really want to find a solution, educate pet owners on how to properly care for their pet, and make them aware of the down sides to having a pet, along with the wonderful times you can have with your beloved pet if it is properly trained. Most people get rid of their dogs, because they chew or bark to much, or whatever, is this the dogs' fault??? Instead of making man's best friend a memory of the pass, maybe people should pick up a $5 book on training and pet needs before going out and getting a dog. This really doesnt have anything to do with spaying and neutering pets, its an ego trip with the animal rights extremist! I think altering is important, however if it wasnt for breeders we would lose our precious Yorkies, and i really dont want to see that! Sorry i turned my posted into a rant, but Peta really gets under my skin! |
02-16-2009, 04:46 AM | #7 |
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| [QUOTE=Akbritt;2472306]WOW....the world would be a sad sad place to live in, if we didnt have our pets..... To me, this goal to kill out domesticated animals would go against any normal person's views on animal rights. Peta thinks it is much easier to get rid of the animals then having to actually do something about the misuse of animals..... This really doesnt have anything to do with spaying and neutering pets, its an ego trip with the animal rights extremist! I think altering is important, however if it wasnt for breeders we would lose our precious Yorkies, and i really dont want to see that! QUOTE] I just wanted to highlight EXTREMIST in your post. While I agree with the sentiment, I also respect many of the PETA members here who are not extremists. The fringe element of any group will inevitably be used to malign the group's public image by those who disagree. When the fringe element has the ability to steer the overall course, or to control the agenda...I think it's absolutely fair to highlight the fringe. A very small rudder turns a very large vessel.
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02-16-2009, 07:07 AM | #8 | |
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02-16-2009, 08:33 AM | #9 |
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| I had permission to cross-post this. EXTREMIST was not my words. But I would never belong to any group that have these extremist views reguarding pets, I dont care what successes they have had.
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02-16-2009, 10:09 AM | #11 |
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| I pretty much understand why some pet owners are against mandatory spay/neuter but I'm always a little confused by breeders who are against it. The bills I have read provide for breeders to have a license or permit to breed. Breeding takes a lot of education to do in a safe and responsible manner and seems like something that should require a license. For example, I am a licensed esthetician. I would find it insulting to the time I put into my education if my state decided anybody, regardless of training or knowledge could be an esthetician. Some places require a license just to groom a dog. IMO, a great solution would be if you choose to not spay/neuter your pet, or you are a breeder, you must have a license that would show you have passed training and/or testing to prove you have adequate knowledge to breed in a safe, responsible manner. The bills usually have wording already to allow you to opt out of spay/neuter if a vet certifies it would not be in the best interest for your pet's health. If a license was required then people who breed ethically would continue to be able to do so and pet owners who do not want to spay/neuter would be better prepared for an oops litter (which we all know happens a lot). Now I understand that this is not how the bills are typically written but would y'all be against a bill like that? I've learned a lot from this forum about how much work it takes to be an ethical breeder and I think those breeders should be recognized as someone who has invested time into their education and not just someone who has a male and female dog. I know this wouldn't solve every problem but it seems like something like that would be a giant step toward weeding out all of the horrible breeders that we all hear about who are only in it for the $$$, have no idea what they are doing and are producing sick puppies.
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02-16-2009, 12:19 PM | #12 | |
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02-16-2009, 01:42 PM | #13 | |
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Well, basically what I had posted is a responsible breeder has worked hard for the knowledge she has. She should be placed in the category of having professional knowledge that the average person does not have. I do think it would have an impact on the irresponsible breeding and therefore an impact on the amount of dogs being put to death everyday as well as how many unhealthy puppies are sold. Even though licensing fees go to the state it is not an ignorant government employee who decides what license criteria are. That is handled by a board of said profession's peers who are deemed experts in that particular area. Even though I can buy a pair of scissors and am capable of snipping away at hair, the Board of Cosmetology tells me I am not knowledgeable enough to do so. I just think the breeding of animals should be viewed the same level of respect for the risks involved that cutting hair does. I agree with you 100% about the puppy mills. I would LOVE to see laws in place prohibiting the breeding of animals as a business and serious restrictions on the amount of time allowable that dogs and other animals are in cages. I'm sure you're right that they have the $$$ to lobby and have kept that from happening so far.
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02-16-2009, 07:24 PM | #14 | |
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02-17-2009, 03:53 AM | #15 | |
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This is how i feel too, i'm sorry if i offended any YT members who are non- extreme Peta members with my post, i wasn't trying to disrespect any one who are genuinely trying to take a stand for animal rights, because it needs to be done, but to me, Peta views and tactics are extreme, all of us here love our pets and treat our babies very well, maybe better than our spouses! But Peta frowns upon pet ownership, it is very clear that they would rather the world be will out domesticated animals, because of homeless and abused pets. The OP link, has Peta and other organizations Spokes people who represents these groups publicly stating the goal to be "Phasing out companion animals, that means "we" (not just breeders) are the problem, no matter how well we treat our babies! I have read the Peta website, many times, as well as rereading this "My Dog my Choice" page just to make sure i wasn't misinterpreting the information. The only "ammo" i am using are the statements that the groups spoke persons' are saying on the OP link page. It's crazy how one word has changed the meaning of my entire post, which is still my feelings on the subject. Maybe Peta and other like groups should change their harsh tactics and get new spokes people that don't sound as though they want to eliminated cats and dogs and maybe i will be a little more opened minded to them. | |
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