Is this common from a SHOW BREEDER???

[143julz]

I bought my Yorkie from a quality show breeder. He was 4.5 mo and 31/2lbs when I got him. I was told that in order for me to have him he would have to be neutered, no problem there I want a pet.
I called her 2 days before he was to be neutered and specifically asked her if the vet she uses would be removing the remaining baby teeth and she told me “no”. Okay, so I questioned her a bit and felt comfortable with her answers.
My first visit to my vet was a month after having him, my vet questioned the baby teeth still being present and the fact that he was neutered and they weren’t removed…He said to wait a month longer if I wanted to see if they come out on their own if not I would have to have them removed.
That day I called the breeder, very upset, and explained my visit to her and again ask why it wasn’t done. She said maybe it was b/c the adult teeth weren’t ready to come when he was neutered in and the baby teeth just fall out when ready...
Monday night I was brushing his muzzle hair and the comb caught his upper lip in the back, OMG, there were 2 teeth growing out sideways, it was awful!!!
I called Tue and Dudley is down TODAY getting this taken care of…I just got off the phone w/ my vet…..This is what he said “9 retainers, the lower canines probably won’t grow in normally b/c they spouted further back on the bottom gums, he had to CUT 2 teeth out of the gum area etc….it goes on….
I feel as a quality breeder, who has been in the business for MANY years, have questioned the vet, or the vet seen this as a red flag here and taken an Xray to see what was going on?
(IMO) Shouldn’t the vet have said something to the breeder and the breeder then inform me so I knew what I was in for? I just am having a hard time with all of this b/c (you all can see my previous questions/comments about teething in the past several weeks) I asked her in the beginning about having them removed….And her reply was just so cut and dry, “no they come out naturally.”
Should I contact her about this, DH theory was that as a show breeder, she just doesn’t sell many and just may not be aware?
Sorry to be long…..Looking for opinions…

[bjh]

How old was your puppy when he was neutered? Puppies sometimes do not get their permanent teeth until they are 6 to 7 months old. That is why most people wait to have them spayed or neutered when they are little older.

[Nancy1999]

I'm not sure I understand the timeline, but it sounds like he was neutered before you took procession of him at 4.5 months, is this right? That would probably be way too soon to take out the baby teeth. I imagine it varies, but you need to wait until some adult teeth are ready to come in, otherwise, it would be hard for them to eat. Joey's vet wanted to see Joey around 6 months of age, so that he could see if the teeth were indeed ready to pull, and we scheduled the surgery for 7 months. Some breeders do insist on dogs being neutered before they leave the premises, because they have been burned so many times by people who say they weren't going to breed, but then go ahead and breed. This is a tough spot for the breeder, but it's a rare dog who can have his teeth pulled at 4 ½ mouths. How old was your dog when you discovered the two rows of teeth? The breeder is correct about certain things, some teeth come out on their own, but it seems like most Yorkies need a few pulled. You say she is a "show breeder", is she a member of the YTCA?

[Bizzymammabee]

I don't think that it's an issue specific to show breeders. Lots of folks feel you should give the teeth time to come out. At 4 1/2 months his teething hasn't really started yet. He has baby teeth but it's still a bit early for the adult teeth to come in. So I don't think that there is anything wrong that she said to leave his teeth..at 4 1/2 months he is probably just finishing getting in all his teeth in his mouth.

[143julz]

He was 4.5 mo when he was netured...THANKS

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by 143julz

He was 4.5 mo when he was netured...THANKS

Ok so at that point he was just only getting all his baby teeth in his mouth. She didn't do you any disservice.

[143julz]

I'm not sure I understand the timeline, but it sounds like he was neutered before you took procession of him at 4.5 months, is this right?

He was netured at 4.5 mo of age, i got him a few ays after it was done.

How old was your dog when you discovered the two rows of teeth? started about 5.5 mo old.

You say she is a "show breeder", is she a member of the YTCA?
She is not a member, but has many friends here that know of her.


Thanks for your reply, you shed some light on this for me...

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by 143julz

I'm not sure I understand the timeline, but it sounds like he was neutered before you took procession of him at 4.5 months, is this right?

He was netured at 4.5 mo of age, i got him a few ays after it was done.

Lots of breeders that want to enforce the limited registration will neuter/spay the pup at the owners cost before they leave their home. They want to ensure that there is no shenanigans in the new owner as far as breeding. Being as it's done that young the pup is in the baby teeth teething stage. ...they really are working on getting in all their baby teeth. I think around the six month mark is when I saw baby teeth falling out and adult teeth growing in. With yorkies they tend to loose baby teeth up until a year on their own. Some of the smaller sized pups tend to take longer. So your show breeder didn't try to pull the wool over your eyes or neglect your pups health.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 143julz

I'm not sure I understand the timeline, but it sounds like he was neutered before you took procession of him at 4.5 months, is this right?

He was netured at 4.5 mo of age, i got him a few ays after it was done.

How old was your dog when you discovered the two rows of teeth? started about 5.5 mo old.

You say she is a "show breeder", is she a member of the YTCA?
She is not a member, but has many friends here that know of her.


Thanks for your reply, you shed some light on this for me...

I think you should let her know about this, it's possible she didn't know that some Yorkies have to have their teeth pulled. She should have told you that while they lose some teeth on their own, many yorkies have a few that the vet has to pull. Some people wait until the age of one, if not being neutered. I'm glad you noticed this because the double row could cause misaligned teeth, and early decay.

[143julz]

Okay, so in your opinion the vet shouldn't have "seen" anthing or been looking for anything at 4.5 mo when he was neutered?
I completely understand the whole "fixing" before sending them to their new forever families. I guess since getting them at that age and the "policy" makes sense as to why it wasn't done at the same time.
I plan on getting another one in about 6 mo and hope to get it from the same breeder, now i know what to expect in a case like this.
I was under the impression they should have been out (baby teeth) by 5mo.
BTW----He was 7 mo on 1/16/08. So i think the timing all worked out.

Thanks bunches

[143julz]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think you should let her know about this, it's possible she didn't know that some Yorkies have to have their teeth pulled. She should have told you that while they lose some teeth on their own, many yorkies have a few that the vet has to pull. Some people wait until the age of one, if not being neutered. I'm glad you noticed this because the double row could cause misaligned teeth, and early decay.

I was going to wait until he was a year but Monday night when i saw that "snaggle" tooth freaked me out. I'm glad i did it now too.
I was thinking of telling her b/c i don't think she sells as many as she keeps, but would ALL pup have to have some removed or maybe she's just been lucky to not have had any that needed them to be

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 143julz

Okay, so in your opinion the vet shouldn't have "seen" anthing or been looking for anything at 4.5 mo when he was neutered? I completely understand the whole "fixing" before sending them to their new forever families. I guess since getting them at that age and the "policy" makes sense as to why it wasn't done at the same time.
I plan on getting another one in about 6 mo and hope to get it from the same breeder, now i know what to expect in a case like this.
I was under the impression they should have been out (baby teeth) by 5mo.
BTW----He was 7 mo on 1/16/08. So i think the timing all worked out.

Thanks bunches

Yes, that's right! The thing I guess that bothers me about the early neutering thing is that so many Yorkies don't lose all their teeth on their own, and so you have to do the anesthesia thing again when they are pulled. There is always a risk with anesthesia, and it just seems safer to do it all at once. Joey's breeder sold him with a limited registration requirement, and that way, I couldn't register him with the AKC until I had him neutered. This way I was able to plan the neutering surgery to coincide with his permanent teeth coming in. I wonder if this breeder would compromise with you on the next pup, and allow you to choose the time of surgery, since she knows you now?

[jencar98]

I think it depends on just which teeth are retained and how the new ones are starting to form as to whether or not it's critical baby teeth be removed by a certain time. Your boy would have been to young to have them removed at 4.5 months. Most yorkies are okay having baby teeth stay in until 7-8 months or longer in some cases.

[Wylie's Mom]

I can see what the breeder was trying to do here....but man...I wouldn't want my puppy to be put under twice before it was a year old.

I got Marcel from a show breeder and she held his registrations papers until he was neutered - which I was just fine with.

I suppose even that isn't enough to deter some folks from breeding, but it's one way.

[143julz]

Picked him up last night and Dr. told me Dudley started having loose stools. So he was concerned and gave him Barium (sp), sent me on my way w/ ramidayl "anti flammatory" and Torbutol "pain med" and Clavamox "antiobotic".
He said only to give pain med last night and wait on everything else until his stools were firm.....(PS-i only gave 1/2 of what Dr. rec)
This morning stools were mostly firm, so i gave all but antiob....it said "w/food" he didn't eat much this morning, a few kibbles. .....(PS-i only gave 1/2 of "pain med"again what Dr. rec)I gave him some Nutri-Cal also.
He's w/ me at work today so i can watch him.
He's been acting weird...running along furniture, walls, whatever like rubbing himself, rubbing his face in his blankets, (i'm sure b/c mouth is tender" is this norm?
He did get chipped y-day too, so i wonder if the rubbing is related to the chip injection area?

I onder if he needs the other part of the pain meds??? I only gave 1/2 b/c i was afraid"my experience w/ Julz & her histroy worries me for Dudley too" ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THIS???
Luckily for me there is a vet office next door if i need one.
Thanks for all of your support and advise. THIS SITE DOES ROCK!!!