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01-15-2009, 08:24 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| Whelping and Fading Puppy Syndrome I have 4 yorkies - all related. Mom and four pups. Three females, one male. One of my females is pregnant and brother is father. This happened one other time and puppies died. Looked like fading puppy syndrome. We bred the mother a couple of time with another Yorkie (not related) and her litters were fine. 1. What can I do to save them if they should start fading? 2. Is it because they were inbred (sister and brother)? 3. I had "onesies" (baby t-shirts that were snapped at all times) on both dogs when the female went into heat - so that they could not "tie" - watched them constantly - they had to get together sometime while we were sleeping - and go through the two t-shirts. Anyone ever hear of this one? My husband and I love our yorkies - they are like our babies. We feel awful that this happened and just need some feedback as to what would be best for mom and pups - is there anything we can do to ensure that the pups live - either ahead of time or after they are born? Thanks for any info anyone can give me!!! |
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01-15-2009, 08:56 PM | #2 |
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| Did you not learn to keep them separated after the first time? I'm not understanding why you have 4 related dogs and none are fixed? Good luck. Here's this Fading Puppies - Prevention and Treatment
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01-15-2009, 09:09 PM | #3 |
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| Miss Emilyann. No need to get snippy. I have had two out of the four fixed and am working on getting the other two fixed if that makes you feel better. Believe me - I feel bad enough. My husband fell ill and needed a transplant (actually two of them) and I just have not had the time to get the remaining two fixed. Actually, I was going to get the female fixed and breed the male. That was our original plan. So, please stop with the snide remarks. I wouldn't have 4 Yorkies if I did not intend to take care of them. That is why I am asking.... By the way, thanks for the link. |
01-15-2009, 09:12 PM | #4 |
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| We know of a dog that got to the female through his belly band and her panties and an x-pen. They are very single-minded when in heat. I hope your puppies are born safely. Best wishes.
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01-15-2009, 09:20 PM | #5 |
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| Well thank you Katelin!! I appreciate your concern. I guess they are single minded at that time come to think about it. I just couldn't believe that they got through the shirts - but, after I read your email - anything is possible! I, too, hope my puppies are well. I am doing a lot of research and am trying to be totally prepared for this litter - I don't want to lose them. I see you really have a full house! Aren't they the best? Hey, what do you think about the inbreeding? That really concerns me. Camille |
01-15-2009, 09:22 PM | #6 |
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| I have to seperate mine when the girls are in heat, I still bellyband and diaper, and put a gate on the door and close the door, they will stop at nothing when one is in heat How far along is your female. Did they just tie, if it has just been a few day, I would take her and get her spayed.
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01-15-2009, 09:31 PM | #7 |
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| My little Scruffy is pretty far along. I just couldn't bear to get her fixed knowing that the pups were developing or were even in there. If it were a few days - that wouldn't be a problem. She is due in a couple of weeks from my calculations but it is just an estimate. I just want to make the best out of this situation. She is going to Vets on Tuesday. She is really tiny too. I just don't want to go through what I went through last time - it was heartbreaking! Thanks for your concern as well. |
01-16-2009, 12:49 AM | #8 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | If they have birth defects because on inbreeding there is not much you can do to save them. I know things can happen but once shame on them twice shame on you.
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01-16-2009, 05:01 AM | #9 |
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| To prevent this I'd send the male away with family for a few weeks. Better safe than sorry. You cannot watch them 24/7 its a little hard.
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01-16-2009, 06:18 AM | #12 |
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| With inbreeding, breeding brother and sister is the worst thing you can do. Father to daugher or mother to son can sometimes produce nice results but all the experts say to never breed siblings. There is a good chance you will see genetic defects and there is nothing you can do to change that. In the first litter, at what age did the pups start dying? |
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01-16-2009, 08:16 AM | #15 |
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| From my understanding, a male gets his female genes from his mom. So, if you breed a brother to a sister, you're doubling up on those. That's why you're having problems. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
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