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09-09-2008, 07:05 AM | #1 |
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| i have a question my female is pregnant again, this is her second litter i didnt date the orginal tie date on the first pregnancy and she had he babies on the 29th all 5 healthy!! she goes in to heat every 8 months her heat cycle started around the 19th of july they tied the first time on 29th of july (that i know of..i only have one male and they are always together) and they tied many many times in the next 3-4 days..so im estimating she is due the 30th of september my question is: are the females pretty predictable..do they usually have the exact same time frame as the first pregnancy? like she gave birth early on the 29th..is it pretty possible that she would be the same this time?? ot is that a totally absurd thought? i have had 2 litters but gidget had 1 and little girl had 1..so i havent had multiples in the same female.. thanks |
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09-09-2008, 07:13 AM | #2 |
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| Generally, they display similar pregnancy patterns in comparison to previous litters. But there are so many factors that could effect it--size of the litter, environmental stress, etc... Being as you have no idea when she really tied other than the one time, I'd say that it's going to be pretty hard to time her projected whelp date with complete accuracy. One of many reasons why you supervise ties and keep them to a minimum, which you failed to do. Allowing them to tie unsupervised, many times is definately not advised. they tied the first time on 29th of july (that i know of..i only have one male and they are always together) and they tied many many times in the next 3-4 days.. Last edited by BamaFan121s; 09-09-2008 at 07:15 AM. |
09-09-2008, 07:22 AM | #3 |
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| the first time i saw them tie was in my dog room..and they were tied for 30 minutes i think it was the first because they stay tied evertime for about 25-30 minutes and gidget doesnt stay outside that long and if they arent outside they are with me and then they tied 2 times daily for 3 more days (im pretty positive it was only 3 more days) she had 5 last time and she seems to be about the same size on the time frame (comparing photos too) i did supervise this heat and the ties..i have heard different views on the amount of ties..some say the more the better some say only need it once every other day...and she is pregnant so little tanner did his job i was just a little vague in my op i guess |
09-09-2008, 07:23 AM | #4 |
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| oh and the 29th was the first time she had flagged him |
09-09-2008, 07:36 AM | #5 |
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| Ok, I think the description was a bit unclear. Still, with that many ties (which certainly many don't recommend) it will be difficult to determine the due date. I understand wanting to make sure the tie happens at the right time, but breeding multiple times is pointless and could cause harm to both dogs. In order to better time her 'most fertile' days, I would suggest doing progesterone testing so that you can eliminate the excessive breedings. |
09-09-2008, 07:47 AM | #6 |
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| OK.. when i had my first 2 litters all the people i had spoken too, and the information i had read states that the more ties the better, their reasoning was the more times they bred, the more puppies were possibly produced which made them smaller and easier to whelp..what i have learned this year was the every other day tie was best because the male saved up testostrone which made him more likely to produce...which i know prefer this method..the breeder im following now is a show breeder in norfolk va im probably getting a puppy from him so that i can excel in my breeding program..he has some fantastic pups |
09-09-2008, 08:13 AM | #7 | |
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I'm sorry, but what? Saves up testosterone to make him more likely to produce? I don't understand that logic, could you provide more info? | |
09-09-2008, 08:16 AM | #8 |
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| thats a very good point about the larger litter the more dangers!!..thanks thats just what i have been told this year on breeding..im just relaying the info... its seems everyone has their own view on the breeding structures and not everyone agrees upon them i guess |
09-09-2008, 04:19 PM | #9 |
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| Testosterone is not stored up. The sperm is viable for at least five days which means that if you breed every other day you'll have plenty of sperm to cover the eggs that will be released. The size of the litter is determined by the amount of eggs that are released, mature, and are fertilized. Also contributing to the size of the litter is the dam's ability to support the number of zygotes that have implanted. I would suggest that you get Canine Reproduction and Whelping by Myra Savant Harris. It is an excellent book and will give you the facts in an easy to understand format. You'll be told alot of things by people who have heard alot of things but never checked their validity. Best to go to the medical facts presented by the experts. Anne Seranne is excellent as well.
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09-09-2008, 04:20 PM | #10 | |
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09-09-2008, 04:39 PM | #11 |
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| his name is micheal ..but he is taking over for his deceased wife and i dont know her name (not sure if i can list last names)..real nice guy thanks for the testosterone info |
09-10-2008, 07:29 AM | #12 | |
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Puppy size depends more on placement in the uterine horn than it does number of puppies. I have seen a litter of 5 puppies that were over 6 oz each, and a singleton (stuck very high in the uterine horn and had to be removed via c section) that was around 4 oz. If you are interested in improving your breeding program education is key, I know that another poster on the list was purchasing copies of the ABCs of Dog Breeding (a wonderful book) that I highly recommend for learning about canine genetics and I recommend both books by Myra Savant Harris (you can google her to find her information) which are great discussions of practical breeding and whelping techniques. | |
09-10-2008, 07:34 AM | #13 |
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| thank you for taking them time to clear that up for me |
09-10-2008, 04:07 PM | #14 |
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| I compete in this area all the time. Do you know what the kennel name is? I'm trying to place a face with the name.
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09-10-2008, 04:38 PM | #15 |
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| Hi tami i sure dont but next time i talk to him i will ask!! |
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