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Old 08-10-2005, 12:15 PM   #1
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Unhappy Email AKC about registering other colors

I wrote to the AKC about registering biewers, chocolates, blonde, whatever colors of yorkies are out there. They in turn told me I had to email the yorkshire terrier club: this is what I wrote and this was thier response:

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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:25 PM
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Subject: Subject: Question about Biewer yorkies

Subject: Question about Biewer yorkies
I have hear a lot about biewer yorkshire terriers coming here from Germany
and even many breeders who are raising them here in the USA.
Is there any chance that your club will begin to accept this coloring into the
registration?
Also what about the chocolate, red and blonde ones??


Their response: No, not in the foreseeable future.

Why is it that the USA is so far behind Germany on Biewers??
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As far as I've been told the YTCA is 'die hard' on standard yorkies. The YTCA is the club that the AKC looks to for anything yorkie related (as far as I've been told) and I doubt the YTCA will accept parti/biewer yorkies. Maybe I'm wrong and someone else can explain it better

I am wondering though, would it be possible for the AKC to 'adopt' another parent club for the partis/biewers? Instead of the YTCA? Anyone know?
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I dont have an answer for you on the Beiwers but I know the AKC will register Parti and Chocolates. My Max's mom is a Chocolate and she is registered with the AKC. I've always thought you couldnt register them so I called the AKC and asked and was told "In order to register a yorkie that is not the standard color you have to write in the color description and send in a picture of the yorkie." That is exactly what Max's breeder told me she did, she said it took a few weeks longer than it takes when she registers her standard colored but they did register her chocolate.
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Old 08-11-2005, 11:53 AM   #4
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I do beleive you but that question was in my email, and as you can see all they said was No, not in the foreseeable future., Does hies registration say chocolate??
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In reading your email you asked them about Biewer, Chocolate, Red and Blonde. Their response was short "No, not in the foreseeable future."

It sounds like they were short with you and didnt offer much information. Also, they didnt specify which color they were speaking of, it seemed like they lumped it all together to give you a short answer.

I dont have Max's papers on hand to reference because I am at work and the papers are filed away at home.

I just called Max's breeder and she said Max's mom's papers read Liver/Tan.

She said the person who helped her at the AKC was Teresa. She said you can try to email the AKC and direct the email to Teresa. If that doesnt get you very far, PM me and I will give you my breeders full name and you can use that to reference as she has 3 chocolates registered with the AKC.

Max's breeder said not very many people she spoke to at the AKC were familiar with registering Liver/Chocolates etc. luckily she was in contact with Teresa and Teresa was most helpful.

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AKC will register most any color Yorkie from two AKC parents. They will not register a German Biewer because it is not from AKC parents..it is a German dog from a German registry.

The moon will turn to cream cheese before YTCA gives in and recognizes any color except the 4 listed..BLK/T..BL/G...BL/T..and BLK/G.
But it was a nice email to AKC ...

As to the AKC adopting another parent club for Biewers, that would be very nice..I vote for that! I doubt it will ever happen..I am so negative, but the YTCA calls the shots on this one.
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Biewers have not at any point registered with the AKC...either parents of the off-spring. So, as Pat says, they are not gonna start anytime soon.
On the other hand, I have Remi registered with AKC as a Blak and Tan for colors and Parti for marking. SO HE IS FULLY REGISTERED WITH AKC and any of his off-spring who also is AKC fully reg can be registered with AKC. That is as it stands now. I sent Remi's application with a quick letter explaining what I was doing and sent 4 really clear pics of him. I started calling AKC after about 3-4 weeks to find out the status of my application. Toward the end of 6 weeks, I received his registration papers from AKC. I then had my friend who does beautiul, informative pedigrees do his pedigree with his pic on the actual certifcate..I know these things to be facts as they relate to me and my boy.
I will not even consider trying to reg Biewers as their ancestors are reg in Germany and my understanding is that there is no German registry comparable to AKC. I am told that ConKC will register them as the German name if you go thru the same process that everyone who tries to reg with ConKC. I will not try that either. My babies that are AKC parti X Biewer will not be registered as it stands now. I realized recently that my babies are F1 hybrids. I have seen that name used when some of the BCOA, or whatever it is called, have advertised pups for sale in some ads on line.
My puppies are marked very much like their Biewer mom. Their sire is also marked exactly like Biewers BUT his tail is docked as he is USA born..He will be bred with a female that carries the piebald gene and see what happens.
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The moon will turn to cream cheese before YTCA gives in and recognizes any color except the 4 listed..BLK/T..BL/G...BL/T..and BLK/G.
That's exactly what I figured.

I have a ? Since the AKC will recognize & register any color from AKC reg'd parents, then where does that leave the YTCA? Do THEY recognize those other colors? And if not, then why does the AKC? Just to keep records straight?
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The reply that I posted was from YTCa, not AKC. This is what AKC sent me:
Dear Karen,
Good morning and thank you for writing the AKC. The colors that the AKC
accepts are allowed by the parent club. The official standard for each breed and any revision of the standard originates with the parent club, not the American Kennel Club. The membership of the parent club must vote on and approve the standard or revision before it is submitted to the AKC Board of Directors for approval.

You may want to contact the parent club concerning this issue. A list of
national clubs can be found on our website at http://www.akc.org/clubs/search/inde...nal&display=on

The parent club would be the ones to start allowing these to be registered with the AKC.

Please let me know if there is anything else I may assist you with.
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So aren't they saying that they won't register a pup unless YTCA says its OK??
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Old 08-13-2005, 09:05 PM   #10
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I am not really sure if I would want AKC to register the Biewers, once AKC get there hands on this breed they are going to start changing the standards, ect. and now they are involving them self with paws, this is going to change alot for all of us.
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They do register them, the color for the tri's is the same number as the pie-bald dachsunds.
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I am not really sure if I would want AKC to register the Biewers, once AKC get there hands on this breed they are going to start changing the standards, ect. and now they are involving them self with paws, this is going to change alot for all of us.
I personally agree with Sue about the AKC concerning Biewers. There are a few other places that they can be shown and registered. Because before you know it, AKC would have us cutting their tails off and making them weigh #2!...
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Pink...the YTCA does not want any non-standard colors to reproduce. They know they crop up in litters of AKC parents, even champions, but they frown on keeping these dogs in a breeding program to specifically breed for a chocolate or Parti color.
AKC will listen to the parent club when it comes to not allowing them in the ring..but it will register them..not to do so hurts their bottomline...and we must remember the AKC is a profit making organization.
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Pink...the YTCA does not want any non-standard colors to reproduce. They know they crop up in litters of AKC parents, even champions, but they frown on keeping these dogs in a breeding program to specifically breed for a chocolate or Parti color.
AKC will listen to the parent club when it comes to not allowing them in the ring..but it will register them..not to do so hurts their bottomline...and we must remember the AKC is a profit making organization.
Thanks for the explanation Pat

When you say that the YTCA doesn't want any non-standard colors reproducing, then does the AKC make non-standard colors reg'd as limited registration? If I remember correctly someone here is trying to get their off color litter reg'd and I asked if it were to be limited reg and they said they didn't think so. Wouldn't that make sense, for the AKC to require all off color yorkies reg'd as limited? To prevent them from breeding? Or am I totally off?
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