CKC vs ACK

[mrs merch]

Our Nikki is registered with the CKC. Our breeder told us this was virtually the same as AKC only registration was a little less expensive. What are the differences and will I have trouble with selling pups if the sire is registered with a different kennel club?

[katelin]

I have heard that CKC is less stringent than AKC, but have no personal experience with CKC. Perhaps someone else can speak about this.

[Ladymom]

The AKC is the original, well known registry. A few years back, the AKC adopted new, stricter requirements like DNA testing and kennel inspections. As a result, many breeders were suspended or could no longer meet the requirements to register.

A bunch of "alternative" registries were formed for the breeders who couldn't qualify to register with the AKC anymore. Many breeders who use these alternative registries claim it's because it is cheaper, but that's just smoke and mirrors. The AKC requires breeders to prove that the puppies are purebred and the papers are accurate with DNA testing. The CKC only requires you to have two people who aren't experts (could be your best friend or Uncle Harry) sign a piece of paper saying your dog is a purebred. If you submit that piece of paper and three photographs of your dog, they'll take your word for the fact he is a purebred ..... provided, of course, you don't forget to send $12.

As far as selling puppies, a careful person will thoroughly screen breeders and a registry other than AKC will be a red flag.

[mrs merch]

Yikes. Is there a way to register her with AKC now? The lady we brought her from actually had a puppy mill, but we didn't know that when we drove 3 hours to look at puppies. She had at least 7 different types of dogs there. She was very cautious when she showed us into the "puppy building". We had to wash our hands with a sanitizer, we had to clean the bottoms of our shoes. All good precautions to take, so I thought she was a reputable breeder. The Yorkies she had in the buidling weren't actually hers. She was selling them for a friend of hers that works at the local vets office. Turns out they were much better cared for than her own. Hers were kept outside and they were nasty. She brought a couple of them in for us to see before we commited to buying Nikki, but they turned us off because they were dirty and smelly. Poor little things. She wouldn't sell hers before 10 weeks, but the one we bought was only 6 wks old. I understand now how risky that really was! My husband wouldn't let us take her out of the house until she had all her shots. Anyway--I know now that she is running a puppy mill, and when people ask us where we got Nik, we tell them, but recommend they don't buy from her and why.

[Ladymom]

No, she can't be registered with the AKC. Both her parents would have to be AKC registered.

Because of her background, please reconsider breeding her. Obviously no health testing or genetic screening is being done by this breeder and you have no idea what she could pass on to her offspring.

[mrs merch]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

No, she can't be registered with the AKC. Both her parents would have to be AKC registered.

Because of her background, please reconsider breeding her. Obviously no health testing or genetic screening is being done by this breeder and you have no idea what she could pass on to her offspring.

The actualy lady I bought her from was not this particular breeder, remember. She just housed the puppies and sold them for her friend. As for breeding her, I take offense to your comment. If I choose to breed her, I'm confident that I won't be doing harm to the breed. Thanks.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by mrs merch

The actualy lady I bought her from was not this particular breeder, remember. She just housed the puppies and sold them for her friend. As for breeding her, I take offense to your comment. If I choose to breed her, I'm confident that I won't be doing harm to the breed. Thanks.

If you know nothing about her background, how can you be confident you won't be doing any harm to the breed? Breeding is such a huge responsibility.

[mrs merch]

Have you seen her pics? How could this precious creature harm the breed? Some people actually buy their puppies for the joy of owning them. I'm in that category.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by mrs merch

Yikes. Is there a way to register her with AKC now? The lady we brought her from actually had a puppy mill, but we didn't know that when we drove 3 hours to look at puppies. She had at least 7 different types of dogs there. She was very cautious when she showed us into the "puppy building". We had to wash our hands with a sanitizer, we had to clean the bottoms of our shoes. All good precautions to take, so I thought she was a reputable breeder. The Yorkies she had in the buidling weren't actually hers. She was selling them for a friend of hers that works at the local vets office. Turns out they were much better cared for than her own. Hers were kept outside and they were nasty. She brought a couple of them in for us to see before we commited to buying Nikki, but they turned us off because they were dirty and smelly. Poor little things. She wouldn't sell hers before 10 weeks, but the one we bought was only 6 wks old. I understand now how risky that really was! My husband wouldn't let us take her out of the house until she had all her shots. Anyway--I know now that she is running a puppy mill, and when people ask us where we got Nik, we tell them, but recommend they don't buy from her and why.

I am a Breeder of AKC Yorkshire Terriers...I for one am 100% Backyard Breeders and Puppy Mills...And I for one as a Breeder of AKC Yorkies would recommend you calling this lady back and tell her what you've found out...Ask her WHY the puppy is Reg. CKC & NOT AKC...If she is what you say she is then maybe she will tell you the truth...Tell her your wanting to breed this baby she what she says and that you want this baby Reg. with AKC..

Who wouldn't sell the puppy before 10 weeks old??? And can I ask why you choose a 6 week old puppy instead of waiting on the 10 week old puppy? Lee

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by mrs merch

Have you seen her pics? How could this precious creature harm the breed? Some people actually buy their puppies for the joy of owning them. I'm in that category.

Yorkies, like any purebred dog, have certain conditions inherent to the breed like liver shunts, luxating patellas, and Legg-Perthes. Did you know that Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined? That the ratio of Legg-Perthes disease is the highest in Yorkies?

Reputable breeders carefully screen their breeding dogs and do health testing to make sure their lines are free of genetic conditions they could pass on to their offspring. Since you do not know your girl's background, there is no way you could know whether or not she carries genes for liver shunts, Legg-Perthes or any other genetic.

My Lady is the product of careless breeding and is diabetic and epileptic. Her medical expenses run $5,000 a year now. Both conditions are genetic. She became epileptic at age four and diabetic at age six. Thank heavens she was spayed or she could have passed these genes onto her puppies years before she ever came down with the disease herself.

There is a ton of information on this forum about the responsibility of breeding, inherent problems in Yorkies, health testing, etc. to help you make an informed decision whether or not to breed your Yorkie.

[BamaFan121s]

I have to agree with the other members. I would NEVER consider breeding a dog that was purchased from a miller, for the reasons mentioned. I'm sure that she is a lovely girl, both in her pictures and in person, but just because a dog is precious does not mean she is without genetic fault that could be passed on to future generations. Even if SHE shows no signs or sypmtoms, they *could* be lying dormant somewhere down the line waiting to rear their ugly heads again. It would be a HUGE risk that could cause truly heartbreaking results for both you and any potential new owners. Furthermore, it is impossible to tell if a dog is of a quality that should be bred when they are just puppies. Even the most experienced and accomplished show breeders can't make that determinatin. No one is suggesting that to offend you or insult your little angel...just to share their insight and express their concerns regarding the situation.

I truly do hope you will reconsider.

That being said, I am very thankful that she is no longer living in the horrendous conditions with the puppy miller. She deserves to live the life of the spoiled princess she is.

[erickajm]

I too must agree with the posters above...I also agree that no one is trying to offend you, only protecting the breed we all cherish! I think you should try what was suggested with calling the breeder about the registrations and worse case, If you really want to breed, you can always invest in a yorkie from a reputable breeder that is open and honest with you and keep this one as your sweet (untouched) baby.

[JonlyCajunQueen]

Originally Posted by erickajm

I too must agree with the posters above...I also agree that no one is trying to offend you, only protecting the breed we all cherish! I think you should try what was suggested with calling the breeder about the registrations and worse case, If you really want to breed, you can always invest in a yorkie from a reputable breeder that is open and honest with you and keep this one as your sweet (untouched) baby.

I must say that I agree with all who have posted in protecting the breed. Nobody is here to be rude to you only to help you. Prayers are coming your way.

[mrs merch]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Yorkies, like any purebred dog, have certain conditions inherent to the breed like liver shunts, luxating patellas, and Legg-Perthes. Did you know that Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined? That the ratio of Legg-Perthes disease is the highest in Yorkies?

Reputable breeders carefully screen their breeding dogs and do health testing to make sure their lines are free of genetic conditions they could pass on to their offspring. Since you do not know your girl's background, there is no way you could know whether or not she carries genes for liver shunts, Legg-Perthes or any other genetic.

My Lady is the product of careless breeding and is diabetic and epileptic. Her medical expenses run $5,000 a year now. Both conditions are genetic. She became epileptic at age four and diabetic at age six. Thank heavens she was spayed or she could have passed these genes onto her puppies years before she ever came down with the disease herself.

There is a ton of information on this forum about the responsibility of breeding, inherent problems in Yorkies, health testing, etc. to help you make an informed decision whether or not to breed your Yorkie.

I owe you an apology. I had noth considered all the repurcussions of careless breeding.

Nikki is not my first Yorkie. I had 2 in the 80's: One we purchased for $150.00 from a friend that had several Yorkies, and one we paid $500.00 for from a breeder. Both were registered with AKC. (Charlie Brown and Lucy were their names.) Both were perfect from the time we got them until we had to give them up (I had a son and he was highly allergic to them, causing repiratory problems). Lucy was of champion bloodline. Her coat was smooth and shiny, her teeth all straight. Charlie's teeth were all crooked and his coat was oily and smelly. He required much more grooming. We never had to take either of them to the vet for anything more than well check ups.

My point I guess is that I had no idea until we got Nikki how fragile this breed could be.

I will take your advice and that of the other posters and see what the original breeder has to say about regisering her with CKC rather than AKC. I have my suspiciouns that it's because of the criteria and the costs.

I'm sorry about the problems you and Lady have had to endure with her health. And I'm sorry about the tone I took with you last night. Please forgive my misunderstanding of your concerns.

[mrs merch]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I am a Breeder of AKC Yorkshire Terriers...I for one am 100% Backyard Breeders and Puppy Mills...And I for one as a Breeder of AKC Yorkies would recommend you calling this lady back and tell her what you've found out...Ask her WHY the puppy is Reg. CKC & NOT AKC...If she is what you say she is then maybe she will tell you the truth...Tell her your wanting to breed this baby she what she says and that you want this baby Reg. with AKC..

Who wouldn't sell the puppy before 10 weeks old??? And can I ask why you choose a 6 week old puppy instead of waiting on the 10 week old puppy? Lee

Did you mean who WOULD sell before 10 wks?

The answer to why we took the 6 wk old was a simple matter of cleanliness. She was perfect and clean and smelled nice. The puppy mill owner (remember Nikki's actual owner worked for a vet, she was not the "breeder" that ran the mill) kept her puppies outside and they were smelly and dirty. It was not an hard decision. The lady did express to me that she didn't agree with the owner selling them so young. But it was not her decision. I suppose if she had been truely concerned, she could have refused to sell them for her until they were 10 wks. My daughter (on paper Nikki is hers, but in reality, she's mine ) and I just fell in love with her little face, and she was so playful even at that tender age.

She had great siblings to come home to though. We also have 2 spoiled rotten black labs, and they taught Nikki how to be a dog. They have been a perfect big brother and big sister. They are older, (12 yrs now, brother and sister) and are like grandparents more than brother and sister to Nik.