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06-22-2008, 10:50 AM | #1 |
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| More Vaccine Info - Food For Thought I found this interesting site that offers some good vaccine info I haven't ran across before. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghol...accBlanco.html This is a subject I'm very interested in and the more research I do, the more I'm convinced we're doing much harm to our dogs and their future pups. I've also found that vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials have preservatives in them that can be harmful. Even if you do your own vaccinations, by law a vet must administer the rabies shot and this would be a vaccine that is packaged in multi-dose vials. Though it's just my own opinion, at this time I'm getting a gut feeling that many conditions (even some that are suspected to be genetic) that we see in dogs are the result of vaccines and/or over-vaccinations. On a related note, I was re-reading through The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne and saw that she recommends giving a bitch a booster of DHL before breeding if she hasn't been vaccinated in the last 6 months. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not trying to slam MS. Seranne as the book has a copyright of 1980 and maybe at that time it seemed like a good idea. However, since this book is considered a must-have by many breeders, I wonder how many have followed this advice in the past and are we now seeing the results of this in the many health problems in some dogs. I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' with this post but it has got me wondering if these things are related. I realize there is no direct link yet proven or even a broad concensus; I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear the thoughts on this from some of you on this subject. |
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06-22-2008, 11:58 AM | #2 |
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| I understand completely. I am so confused on all of the vaccine thing. I have always trusted my vet but this yearly thing is getting scary. I have a toy schnauzer that is not bigger than my yorkie and a senior schnauzer and I don't want them to have anything they don't absolutely need. It scares me now to even have their teeth cleaned. They are ove medicated just like the doctors are doing to us. |
06-22-2008, 12:28 PM | #3 |
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| I feel that over vaccination is causing a lot of health issues that we are seeing today. Most pet owners don't make the connection. My advise is to do your research. It breaks my heart when I see posts nearly every day where someone took their poor little baby to the vet and the vet shoots them up with everything imaginable, including the rabies shot, all at one time and the poor dog gets sick. Who knows what the long term effects of that will be. |
06-23-2008, 02:12 AM | #4 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Dominican Republic
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| I am also against over vaccinating our babies why should we do it year after year.Humans just get them during childhood why do dogs get them there entire life?This is easy money for vets here they charge 20 times what a vaccine is really worth!!!!! |
06-23-2008, 03:31 AM | #5 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member | thank you for your research..look at the causes for autism in children, being caused by vaccines. i guess it is the preservatives they use.. neurological disorders such as autism.. children with autism can be helped only with special diet and detox. we just dont know the truth.. i think you are on to something.
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06-23-2008, 04:46 AM | #6 |
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| That is an excellent article, thanks for posting it.
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06-23-2008, 04:55 AM | #7 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | I read this article the other day. I can't remember if it was linked from YT or another site....at any rate, thanks for posting the info again.....everyone needs to know about over-vaccination! It makes sense when you think about it....human vaccines for the most part last a lifetime....why wouldn't canine/feline vaccines?
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06-23-2008, 05:38 AM | #8 |
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| From what I've read, thymersol was used as a preservative in dog vaccines until 1992. Now aluminum is used. As I poster earlier, rabies is one vaccine we all have to get from a vet (to satisfy legal requirements) and that is a multi-dose vaccine which would have preservatives. Single dose vaccines do not require preservatives. Here's some other interesting info that may relate to vaccinations........" Procedure—The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS was calculated for all dogs and each breed recorded in the VMDB annually and for the 22.2-year period. Odds ratios and adjusted confidence intervals were calculated for breeds with at least 100 accessions by comparing odds of each breed with a diagnosis of CPSS with that of mixed-breed dogs. Results—Congenital portosystemic shunts were reported in 0.18% of all dogs and 0.05% of mixedbreed dogs. The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS increased from 5 in 10,000 dogs in 1980 to 5 in 1,000 dogs in 2001. Yorkshire Terriers had the greatest total number of diagnoses of CPSS. Thirty-three breeds were significantly more likely to have a diagnosis of CPSS, compared with mixed-breed dogs. The greatest proportions of diagnoses were found in Havanese (3.2%), Yorkshire Terriers (2.9%), Maltese (1.6%), Dandie Dinmont Terriers (1.6%), and Pugs (1.3%)"..........How does this relate to vaccinations? Look at the extremely low incidence in LS in mixed breeds. Though you have to do a bit of assuming, It's probably safe to say that mixed breeds are less likely to have been vaccinated yearly though surely some are. Another glaring statistic is the increase in incidence from 1980 to 2001. This roughly correlates with the increased use of vaccines in general....in other words, more people are taking better care of their dogs, going to the vet and getting the 'annual vaccines' which has been the protocol during that time and still is for many vets. The highest percentage of LS mentioned is among toy breeds which are, in general, more sensitive to vaccines overall. Vaccines, by their nature, provoke an auto-immune response. Could not this constant provoking of the immune response over time create chromosonal damage that could cause conditions (especially in pups of over-vaccinated dogs) that appear to be genetic? In the case of LS, it is suspected to be genetic but no marker has yet been found. If you take generation after generation of dogs and over-vaccinate them, could not the cumulative effect of this show up as apparent 'genetic flaws' such as LS, heart murmers and arrhythmia, collapsed tracheas, etc. which are all essentially developmental problems. Like I posted before, I'm just trying to connect the dots. In the case of LS, as posted above from an article by Dr. Tobias, the increased incidence of LS goes hand in hand with the increased use of vaccines among dogs. Coincidence? |
06-23-2008, 06:12 AM | #9 | |
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safe like you said... the single dose.. where can we get the safe single dose vaccines without the dangerous preservatives? green vaccines.. this subject was brought to my attention by the autism link to vaccines for children.. they are demanding safe preservatives.. get this information out there.. you are an angel woogieman
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06-23-2008, 06:27 AM | #10 |
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| Thank you for your research and your thoughts. I have felt for years that there is a connection between many of the health issues so many dogs are experiencing. I do not give rabies to any of my dogs except those that I take to shows and I wait as long as possible before giving them the rabies shot. I do not give annual vaccinations either. It amazes me all the health problems I read about on YT. I can't help but believe that a lot of it is because of over vaccination and early spay and neutering. I wish we had some answers. |
06-23-2008, 07:05 AM | #11 |
Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi
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| Single dose rabies vaccines are available through Revival Animal Health but there are over 30 states that it cannot be sold to. The only other thing to do is ask your vet if he uses the single dose vaccine and, if not, could he get it for you. It seems like it's up to us, as individuals, to make sure to do what's best for our dogs as many vets cling to outdated protocols, primarily for business reasons. They get to cash in not only when they vaccinate a dog but also to treat the problems caused by them. I don't think they're sinister minded, just not thinking (well, maybe thinking about the bottom line). I worry as much about the long term effects of vaccines as I do the immediate reactions to them. As a breeder, I especially worry about the potential effects on puppies born to often vaccinated dogs. |
06-23-2008, 07:22 AM | #12 |
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| Thanks Woogieman for this post This is a subject I'm very interested in. Though I think there may well be some correlation between increased vaccination and CPSS, I think there also is a good bit of acquired liver disease resembling CPSS. I think in some vet clinics any liver symptoms are automatically labeled PSS as a catchall. I also think there are many generations of Yorkies out there with "elevated" bile acids that are living normal lives completely free of liver disease symptoms, so higher bile numbers are just plain normal for them. Many of these vets won't leave them alone, however, because they feel it is their duty to perform surgery on every dog showing up with BATs over 30. Finally, I do think we are poisoning our Yorkies and causing them to develop MVD with too many vaccines and pills and now this Frontline stuff that gets absorbed through the skin. I have a house full of healthy Yorkies that get none but the legally required rabies vaccine. Their kibble is carefully selected and supplemented with fresh meats I buy at the market and serve raw. No health issues whatsoever at my house!!! |
06-23-2008, 07:36 AM | #13 |
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| Sounds like you're on a good routine, BelindaY. Like you, I also don't use a monthly flea preventative. I treat the yard, not the dog. I also maintain a low-risk profile for my dogs, vaccinate minimally and feed a high quality diet. I also use flaxseed oil as a supplement. Keeping them healthy is easier than dealing with the consequences of putting too many things in and on our dogs. Last edited by Woogie Man; 06-23-2008 at 07:39 AM. Reason: addition |
06-23-2008, 07:41 AM | #14 | |
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06-23-2008, 07:55 AM | #15 |
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| I have had one due to my neighbor's cats and another neighbor with 3 dogs. At one of the neighbors (the one with dogs), the volunteers wouldn't help with hurricane repairs on his house because the fleas were out of control, just swarming them. This was last fall. Well, he cleaned up his yard and sent fleas scattering. I've tried a couple of things (Adam's yard spray and also PesTabs) without much luck. I just started using a Bayer granular product that you spread and water in. So far, so good with this stuff. It's supposed to last for 3 months but I'll probably re-apply it sooner than that to stay on top of things. |
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