California Wild's Kennel - Argentina???

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any knowledge of or experience with Javier @ California Wild's Kennel in Argentina??

He has beautiful dogs, but only accepts payment via Western Union or Money Gram.... this is kind of a red flag for me, but he seems to have a fabulous reputation with champion animals.

Would appreciate any input.... thanks!

Dena

[smartpuppiepets]

that is a thread i want to follow....
I have seen his ads for puppies and dogs many times, i do admire his dogs a lot... i have not taken the time to "drop a fone cal" or anything but would love to see what kind of responses this thread will get... Just by reading the pedigrees and information on his dogs the blood lines he mention are excellent and his dogs are beautifull.. although i have seen some "off satandards" advertised as "special features" , i actually am very familiar with most blood lines he mentioned.... Well... i will keep reading it...

[mypreciouspups]

I am not aware of this breeder.. but will watch this thead...anne

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

that is a thread i want to follow....
I have seen his ads for puppies and dogs many times, i do admire his dogs a lot... i have not taken the time to "drop a fone cal" or anything but would love to see what kind of responses this thread will get... Just by reading the pedigrees and information on his dogs the blood lines he mention are excellent and his dogs are beautifull.. although i have seen some "off satandards" advertised as "special features" , i actually am very familiar with most blood lines he mentioned.... Well... i will keep reading it...

Well, this thread didn't get very far, but I did get in contact with two of the breeders here in the States who purchased champion dogs from the California Wild Kennels and they both stated that the Western Union / Money Gram thing is simply how he does his business.... I was reassured that Javier is a reputable and HONEST breeder who "tells it like it is" and "shines through to his word"....

The dogs purchased (several actually) by the breeders I got in touch with are said to have arrived as scheduled, as agreed upon and in beautiful condition.

The only thing that was noted is that "the dogs he has are shown under FCA rules and a dog can be finished to his Championship in as few as 3-4 shows. That's quite different from our AKC Champions."

One breeder said that she showed 2 of the dogs she purchased
from Javier to their AKC Championship but it was very expensive to do so.

She says that he "has the knack for growing hair coats and the dogs were in great condition".

So all in all.... a good report for California Wild Kennel and Javier's Yorkies! =)

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

After further research into California Wild's Kennels and it's owner Javier - in Argentina... I have to recant my previous opinions...

It would seem that the "Champion" - CH California Wild's Lion D'or - that I had gone under contract to purchase, (7000.00) has produced at LEAST one pup that I am aware of, who is now here in the US - (Belle Plaine Iowa ) - with #2 stage LP (diagnosed by two unrelated veterinarians) and some dental problems as well, leaving him to need to have 15 retained baby teeth removed at 9 months old.

I realize that Yorkies have medical issues, and the retained baby teeth is not so much of a concern to me... but the LP is something I simply cannot risk reproducing.

I have not "dug" further into Lion's other offspring for more information since my interest in him was stifled the moment I received news of the above.

I of course, can't know if the LP comes from the stud I was purchasing or perhaps the mother... but the California Wild bloodlines are of both line and inbreeding... so regardless, the genetics are there.

I am a little concerned as well, that Javier did not share this information with me (of course, I suppose I wouldn't expect him to) - but I do know that he was well aware of the situation with Lion's pup as he has only been in the US a week or so..... and I understand that the new owner has engaged in close contact with Javier since the purchase.

Anyway.... I cannot comment one way or the other on anyone else's experience with California Wild's Kennels or with Javier - - nor will I "bash" the man or his animals... but facts are facts.... and I felt the need to share them.

[EmrldShdwQueen]

That's good to know Dena...I had considered at one time purchasing from them and I will certainly do extensive research about the particular dog I'm interested in before I do it. Thanks!

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

The following is correspondence between Javier and I after I had brought up little Teziano's condition to him.... and told him that I would not be moving forward with the purchase of Lion D'or.

Evidently, the new owner of Lion's grandsire arrived with dental problems as well.

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From: Mom2BabyNatalie@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:30:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Regarding Ch Lion D´Or
To: javier2905@hotmail.com


In a message dated 5/22/2008 9:27:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, javier2905@hotmail.com writes:
No that fine , Lion made so cute an beautiful babys , and I sold many of them here and also to U.S , and any of them haved that problems , also I keep two for to show this Year , about the dental problems was totaly my fault , Tiziano has perfect bite , just he keep many baby´s tooth and I didn´took off before to shipp him , I haved somes problems at that time maybe XXXX can explain better than me , but any way maybe XXXXXXX can let you know how looks Tiziano compare to the others Yorkies which she has . I know the quality of my dogs , but of course you not the right owner for some of them , thank you , Javier .

<<<< as I understand it, his "problem at that time" involved his "agent" who does the actual shipping of the dogs - "ripping him off" in some way>>>>>

(my response)

May I ask you if you plan to compensate XXXXX for the condition that Tiziano is in as far as the stage #2 LP in his knees?

Will you be accepting him back? Refunding her money?

What warrantee do you offer in the event that these situations occur in your animals after they've been sold? (I was still waiting for guarantee information before following through with the purchase of Lion)

(Javier's response)

This is Peggy´s problems noy yours , and of course I give to her the chance to change the dog , please don´t contact to me anymore , Javier .

Criadores de Yorkshire Terrier y Maltés - California Wild ( Yorkies, Maltés y Chihuahuas ). Pagina de " Chihuahuas " : Chihuahuas | , California Wild´s le agradece su visita a nuestras paginas , javier Coronel


~ And that's the end of that.... too bad... Lion is a beautiful little guy...

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

Evidently, the new owner of Lion's grandsire arrived with dental problems as well.

Oops... make that "the new owner SAID"... lol.... I'm sure the owner herself has beautiful teeth... haha

[SHASTA]

I have purchased a total of 4 yorkies from Javier and They always arrived as he said they would in very well cared for. I did have to do dental and this is to be expected. Javier has always been very kind and helpful with my experience. this is my dealing with Javier

[Yorkiedaze]

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

Hi all,

Does anyone have any knowledge of or experience with Javier @ California Wild's Kennel in Argentina??

He has beautiful dogs, but only accepts payment via Western Union or Money Gram.... this is kind of a red flag for me, but he seems to have a fabulous reputation with champion animals.

Would appreciate any input.... thanks!

Dena

Do you show these dogs? I just noticed how many you have.

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

Do you show these dogs? I just noticed how many you have.

I've never so much as been to a show, but would like to "try my hand" at it one day...

[belindaY]

This is very surprising. I saw California Wild's Lion D'Or in Buenos Aires last year. He's very beautiful little dog, outstanding for the price. Was Javier totally unwilling to discuss health issues with you? Are you saying that you have decided not to purhcase him based on a report of a puppy from that kennel possibly having a grade 2 luxating patella? I should check my funds and see if I can buy him myself as he is very very nice for 7K.

[belindaY]

you made a jolly good job of it. I just re-read everything and it looks like maybe Javier is being careful not to sell his dogs to trouble causers. I've met him and seen his dogs and this thread is truly amazing. It looks like he did offer to replace the puppy with the alleged bad knees. Do you think he should offer more? Also, patellas are a touchy subject anyway, and really can't be evaluated fully in puppies under 1 year of age. Most vets can't tell grade 1 from 2, and I've read where it's the grade 4 cases that are considered genetically defective.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by belindaY

you made a jolly good job of it. I just re-read everything and it looks like maybe Javier is being careful not to sell his dogs to trouble causers. I've met him and seen his dogs and this thread is truly amazing. It looks like he did offer to replace the puppy with the alleged bad knees. Do you think he should offer more? Also, patellas are a touchy subject anyway, and really can't be evaluated fully in puppies under 1 year of age. Most vets can't tell grade 1 from 2, and I've read where it's the grade 4 cases that are considered genetically defective.

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by belindaY

you made a jolly good job of it. I just re-read everything and it looks like maybe Javier is being careful not to sell his dogs to trouble causers. I've met him and seen his dogs and this thread is truly amazing. It looks like he did offer to replace the puppy with the alleged bad knees. Do you think he should offer more? Also, patellas are a touchy subject anyway, and really can't be evaluated fully in puppies under 1 year of age. Most vets can't tell grade 1 from 2, and I've read where it's the grade 4 cases that are considered genetically defective.

I am not "bashing" Javier in the least.... he was very cordial to me and perfectly curteous until I told him that I decided to back out of our agreement to bring Lion home... At that time, he really became quite nasty.

I will say though, that he tells me that he has been harassed by several different people from "breeder groups" and when I started asking questions about the health of his animals, he thought I was attacking him as well. He has apologized for being rude and says that he can "somtimes make like a child".... which is fine, we all can.... all is well with Javier.

I made the decision not to follow through with the purchase of Lion - - yes, mainly based on the information brought to my attention about Lion's son with LP... (not just from a "report of a puppy from that kennle with LP" -Lion is this pup's sire) but also due to his coat being so light.... I was told by a couple of different show breeders to "just have him tinted and put him in there"..... frankly, this is - to me - a question of ethics... and not something I'm willing to get involved in.

I did ask Javier if he thought that Lion's coat would darken... or if some of the photos just made him "look light".... he said he really didn't know and that he would never be a "Make Trouble" but he is a lovely dog.

I just didn't feel 100% comfortable with the purchase. Whether my concerns are justified is really not the issue...

No, I wouldn't HAVE to have him shown... and yes... I'm certain he woud produce a lovely line.... but he also MAY produce puppies with LP and puppies with a lighter than standard coat..... which might be something I would be willing to risk with a 3000.00 dog that I wasn't interested in showing... but at 7k, (plus an additional 15k for a handler) I'm not interested in taking chances.

I am aware that ANY dog - even a World Ch - MAY produce undesirable offspring.... and there are NO guarantees.... but my feelings of indecisiveness regarding the purchase of Lion since the beginning, have been validated IN MY EYES - - whether you agree, is neither here nor there. And if you decide to purchase Lion - I wish you nothing but good experiences.

I'm not angry or bitter about the decision I've made....

I did ask Javier about genetic testing for LP, LS, etc on his breeding dogs... which he evidently doesn't do (from what I understand from him) - and I did ask him that IF I decided to proceed with the purchase of Lion as agreed ... and IF my veterinarian found him to have ANY severe medical problems, would Javier be willing to take the dog back in exchange for another dog. He replied "No", that he "didn't want to put his little Lion through that much stress"..... and that he "knows the quality of his dogs"..... which is great, but not much validation for me, personally....

I asked him about the warrantee of his animals... DNA testing, etc. and he avoided the subject... which is fine.... that's his right I suppose....

He seems to be a lovely man... very personable.... and a large part of the whole thing is very likely, my inexperience... and having no knowledge of the international import process (which in and of itself scares me)... and my fear of bringing in a stud, who I hope to base my entire breeding program on... who may have health issues and my having no recourse in the event that he does.

I haven't been raising Yorkies for 20, 30 years like many of you... I DON'T know "all there is to know"... not even close.... but I have raised other breeds over the years, and I do know that no matter what breed you raise, the goal is the same.... quality, well balanced animals of exceptional lines, giving you the best chance at producing offspring who most closely adhere to the standard of the breed.

I have SO MUCH TO LEARN.... and I'm enjoying the journey.... I'd hate for it to fall short prematurely because I put my whole heart, soul (and finances) into a dog who may be very lovely, but who I may have to "replace" in a year because of a few "bad traits".

I feel like I made the right decision not to purchase Lion.