What Is The Breeders Section Here For????

[myjordash]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

if I may add
this is what breeding is all about

Miracle as a 5 day old puppy with no hair and having no chance of living
Yorkiepassion news - updates - upcoming litters

to this thriving sweet girl at almost 6 months old!

countless sleep deprived nights and days go into raising a happy health litter...and if you dont know how to do it then perhaps you should think twice about attacking those who do spend countless hours on the phone helping these people in need OFF LINE, selfishly day or in the middle of the night in hope they help save a puppys life!

I do understand and appreciate you and all the other "experienced breeders" here, and I hope you don't think my post was intended to insult you.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

IMHO the breeders section is flooded with controversy often times, non breeders posting their opinions (everyone has an opinion) but what one needs to think about is the advice you are giving is not by experience but from what youve read...I would hate to see a non breeder give the wrong advice and a novice to follow it! that kind of reckless post could compromise the health of the bitch or her offspring.

Many experienced breeder post less and less because of the constant bitch fest ... 9 times out of 10 the novice will do as they wish not listening to the experienced breeder. Often time you will read the nonbreeder chastising the experienced breeder because of posting in a blantant tone or posting in a unkind manner, then the advice to the OP falls on deaf ears and the breeder appears to be the bad guy....

Please walk in our shoes and feel the frustration and pain breeders go though reading posts like "my girl is 3 lbs and want to have a litter" or "I have a pregnant mom do anytime WHAT DO I DO" or "should I breed my chi to my yorkie" or the best "I want to have one litter because my puppy is so cute" sometimes there is no other way to post but from the heart and FROM EXPERIENCE! I think most try to be kind but the frustration mounts when the nonexperienced breeders involve themself.

You always says things with tact!!! I wish I could do that. I dont post much in the breeder section for the reasons you have stated and also I am not a vet or a vet tech and I dont feel appropriate giving out veterinary advice even though I have been breeding Yorkies for 25 years. I still dont know all and probably never will. I love this section and have learned alot, but mostly from the experienced breeders. I cringe every time I read about "my Yorkie is PG, what do I do?, or when will she deliver, or I want to breed my t-cup!!, or I am studding out by boy, etc. I know I am way to blunt and to the point in alot of my posts. It seems like the in-experienced breeders on here dont really want advice and ,Heaven forbid,if its not what they want to hear. I dont feel that breeding should be sugar coated and I refuse to always have to beat around the bush just to make someone happy about their un-educated decision.Sometimes I think it is also a ploy for attention or to start up trouble or are using this section as a venue to sell puppies. I have gotten to the point that I dont feel sorry for these posters, only the dogs which, unfortunately, have fallen into the wrong homes. I always wonder why these "breeders" dont just go to the vet. Isnt that these most logical thing to do? I know all breeders started somewhere. But wouldnt you want to educate yourself before you took the plunge?

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by myjordash

I do understand and appreciate you and all the other "experienced breeders" here, and I hope you don't think my post was intended to insult you.

I don't know how it was taken by the recipient, but I didn't see anyting insulting in your post. I do not see the unreasonableness in your suggestion--if you are frustrated with the type of questions being asked, simply post at length where you can do good, and don't post or place a link on the others.

As in the other threads on this subject, it seems like the point is being missed. No one is asking anyone to "sugar-coat" a subject, or be untruthful about dangers. All anyone is asking for is common courtesy.

I believe I will bow out of this discussion. It was a friendly conversation, but in the last page or so there have been a couple of responses that seem to be headed down that oh-so-familiar path of closure. I'd like to be out of here before that happens. lol Everyone have a great weekend!

p.s. Lee, thank you so much for the info on your Yorkie room. I also apologize to everyone else for that question; after I posted I realized that I should have pm'd it instead.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

I don't know how it was taken by the recipient, but I didn't see anyting insulting in your post. I do not see the unreasonableness in your suggestion--if you are frustrated with the type of questions being asked, simply post at length where you can do good, and don't post or place a link on the others.

As in the other threads on this subject, it seems like the point is being missed. No one is asking anyone to "sugar-coat" a subject, or be untruthful about dangers. All anyone is asking for is common courtesy.

I believe I will bow out of this discussion. It was a friendly conversation, but in the last page or so there have been a couple of responses that seem to be headed down that oh-so-familiar path of closure. I'd like to be out of here before that happens. lol Everyone have a great weekend!

p.s. Lee, thank you so much for the info on your Yorkie room. I also apologize to everyone else for that question; after I posted I realized that I should have pm'd it instead.

see once again who said I was insulted nor did I imply I am or was insulted! where does it read or appear to sound confrontational? NO WHERE! I have helped all I can in this forum and I for one am over the hibitual road that leads to nowhere!!

nice meeting you all I wish you all the best!

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

see once again who said I was insulted nor did I imply I am or was insulted! where does it read or appear to sound confrontational? NO WHERE! I have helped all I can in this forum and I for one am over the hibitual road that leads to nowhere!!

nice meeting you all I wish you all the best!

I guess I have inadvertently offended you. I was responding to the quote I used where the person said that their intention was not to offend. Since I wasn't the one the post was intended for, I made sure to acknowledge that I can't say how it was received. I felt it would have been presumptous otherwise for me to say that it wasn't offensive. Then I stated my opinion that it wasn't offensive, in an effort to reassure her since she was apparently concerned.

I did not mean to imply that you were insulted, nor did I say that any of your posts were confrontational. I don't think I have responded to any of your posts in this thread, or if I did I don't remember it.

I know I said I am out of this thread. I felt, though, that I should reply here since there obviously was offense taken at my post. Again, I am not sure what in my post indicated that I thought you were confrontational. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

[Susan123]

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

this kind of post is the reason breeders have stopped posting!
once again it appears the breeder is always the bad guy and the NON BREEDER that posts an opinion is just fine...suggesting to post a link, most dont read it or just glance it...how in the world is anyone going to learn.

Think about this...a breeder posts the reason why or why not to do something and just because a non breeder doesnt like the tone of which it was written the thread becomes a bitch fest. The non breeder has no place on this kind of thread and so the bitch fest begins.

Did anyones parents or college professor say just because you got an F in a subject "better luck next time" NO! It takes study to understand any breed and study to know how to whelp and raise them, I believe most new breeders are just too darn lazy or niave (thinking this is so simple) why study its mother nature, then panic when it comes time to whelp a litter quickly realizing they know nothing!

How about a breeder that knows nothing and loses their first litter simply because they didnt know the puppy can NOT regulate its own heat for the first three weeks of their precious life! Or what about the new breeder that loses a puppy on whelp because they let the mom do it unsupervised riped out the cord and ate through the stomach killing the otherwise healthy puppy. WHat about the new breeder that finds the moms whelping outside, bring her in for a bath and bathes in a medicated flea shampoo only to lose the entire litter because of the toxic shampoo residue.

NON breeders post sorry for your loss, where breeders are here it stop this kind of preventable accident not to placate the unaware but to teach them...

(and the ones that followed)

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

I guess I have inadvertently offended you. I was responding to the quote I used where the person said that their intention was not to offend. Since I wasn't the one the post was intended for, I made sure to acknowledge that I can't say how it was received. I felt it would have been presumptous otherwise for me to say that it wasn't offensive. Then I stated my opinion that it wasn't offensive, in an effort to reassure her since she was apparently concerned.

I did not mean to imply that you were insulted, nor did I say that any of your posts were confrontational. I don't think I have responded to any of your posts in this thread, or if I did I don't remember it.

I know I said I am out of this thread. I felt, though, that I should reply here since there obviously was offense taken at my post. Again, I am not sure what in my post indicated that I thought you were confrontational. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

EXCUSE me!! you quote a post directed at me...and state the last couple pages are confrontational, which just so happens that is when I began to post on this thread!! This thread was peaceful until you posted~!

I am over this place I have helped as many as I can and all of us breeder just suffer with all the back lash and grief from all of you taking things out of context and making something out of NOTHING!

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

EXCUSE me!! you quote a post directed at me...and state the last couple pages are confrontational, which just so happens that is when I began to post on this thread!! This thread was peaceful until you posted~!

I am over this place I have helped as many as I can and all of us breeder just suffer with all the back lash and grief from all of you taking things out of context and making something out of NOTHING!

As I pointed out, I quoted the post in order to respond to the poster, as she seemed to have some concern that she had insulted. It is quite common to quote a post in responding to someone, and I was reponding to her post, not yours. It is not my habit to notice exactly when someone started posting, or for that matter, to even notice who personally is posting. So I did not even notice that you had just joined the thread. Now that I look back, I see that there is more than one new poster in the last couple of pages. So I certainly did not say that this thread was peaceful until you posted. I noticed a change in the tone of some posts, and decided not to stick around.

If you weren't yelling at me (I assume you realize that all caps and extensive use of exclamation points is yelling) I would think that you truly aren't serious. I do not believe I am the one taking things out of context and making something out of nothing. I hope that you are just having a bad day.

[feminvstr]

and you and a few others is why I bid farewell to the breeders section just as many other breeders have...! you have no experience in breeding but yet you are your friend start "the why be rude or confrontational posts" almost every single time.

DONT ASSUME! and yes I do mean to use caps!

[Wylie's Mom]

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me!

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me!

NOPE im done helping and let the NONbreeder get involved in something that has NOTHING to do with her!

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I'm not trying to ask this to cause trouble or get a fight going I want to know WHY...See I ask QUESTIONS all the time, just ask others here how much I ask questions and I learn from the ANSWERS others give me...

Can I ask why those of you who don't breed post in the "Breeders Section" and give advice??? If you have NO experience then why do you post?

Isn't this a Section for Experienced Breeders to give advise and for those who are wanting to learn more about breeding/whelping/raising a litter and for those who are new at it or have a bitch that is pregnant or about to whelp that truly needs the help?

I know if I had never bred before and didn't have the Experience then I would not post here in this section...If and I say If I did I would say I have NO Experience with Breeding but I seen or heard or read or so and so told me how to do this or my Father and so on went through this.

Read through here and see how many unexperienced YTs post answers like they've whelped 20 litters and they've never ever bred a dog let alone whelped or raised a litter.

To those of you who do post answers that have never bred/whelped/raised a litter before aren't you ever afraid that maybe you gave the wrong advice? Do you ever wonder should I have said that? Do you ever question what you said? Aren't you ever afraid you'll mislead/misguide someone and something bad happen to their bitch or litter? Does experience have anything to do with your answers? Please help me to understand why you post.

And please anyone who anwers any of my questions try to be nice about it so this thread doesn't get locked or someone gets into trouble...I truely want to learn the whys of all this.

Thanks, Lee

I breed.. and I read.. I hate to post.. I know there are too many other breeders that are better at it then me.. if it is something small I may go with an opinion.. but I leave it to the breeders into breeding much longer then me.. and then I read and read some more..I have learned lots here in YT.. and I may come on here and ask for help one day.. I am a little hesitant at times also.. I do want to thank those who do help others so much and try not to jump in a judge..I watched the amanda thread.. and it was so great to see such excited people.. some helping a girl that was so nervous..then I went to another thread and it was... well not such a nice one.. some did go about about trying to tell her she should not breed her 4 pound yorkie. I do not breed a 4 pound yorkie and do not agree with it.. but I also think there is a good way of letting some one know they are a fool to think about this other then making them leave the forum and do it anyway.. and not sticking around to read and learn why not to..
I look at some threads and just cannot believe my eyes that some can come on here new and ask such questions as they do.. but that shows ignorance.. and we really should be helping to educate them.. that is really why they come here.. this is a great thread by the way....anne

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

NOPE im done helping and let the NONbreeder get involved in something that has NOTHING to do with her!

Oh please do not feel this way.. there are some of us that learn from you.. please do not give up.. I know how you can feel.. it has to be so disheartening at times.. but please think of those that care about your posts and the ones that you leave with information on breeding/whelping a litter...anne

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

and you and a few others is why I bid farewell to the breeders section just as many other breeders have...! you have no experience in breeding but yet you are your friend start "the why be rude or confrontational posts" almost every single time.

DONT ASSUME! and yes I do mean to use caps!

I am even more confused. There is no one here on YT that I am extremely close with or exchange pm's with regularly and I certainly don't have a friend with whom I conspire to start posts. By the way, as I stated in an earlier post, I do have experience in breeding and whelping. But since I do not personally own Yorkies that I breed, I usually don't give whelping advice. Maybe you have me confused with someone who has offered breeding/whelping advice that you disagreed with? Regardless, this thread has turned into a discussion, not about breeding, but about the manner that advice is given. Anyone who reads the advice is in a position to offer an opinion on that.

Anyway, I don't carry on conversations with people who yell in person, so I won't do so online either. I hope you have a good weekend.

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me!

I hope so. I really did not intend to inspire such hatred.