What Is The Breeders Section Here For????

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I'm not trying to ask this to cause trouble or get a fight going I want to know WHY...See I ask QUESTIONS all the time, just ask others here how much I ask questions and I learn from the ANSWERS others give me...

Can I ask why those of you who don't breed post in the "Breeders Section" and give advice??? If you have NO experience then why do you post?

I have never bred but I have done some reading on the subject. I don't know nearly as much as I'd like to but it's a start. Sometimes when I post in the breeder's section I will start my post with something like, "I am not a breeder" or end it with, "Hopefully a breeder will be along to help you". I offer what I can and if I am not sure I say, "Correct me if I'm wrong".

Isn't this a Section for Experienced Breeders to give advise and for those who are wanting to learn more about breeding/whelping/raising a litter and for those who are new at it or have a bitch that is pregnant or about to whelp that truly needs the help?

If this section is really for experienced breeders only to answer in, then why don't just vets and vet techs answer in the emergency section and why don't just animal nutritionists answer in the diet section? I have seen information that is just plain off in a couple sections on YT (not just the breeders section) but it is an open forum and we are all learning. I'm sure that I have given wrong information too. If I disagree with something somebody wrote, I may give my opinion. Breeders could do that here. I don't think YT is a board only for experts to answer on.

I know if I had never bred before and didn't have the Experience then I would not post here in this section...If and I say If I did I would say I have NO Experience with Breeding but I seen or heard or read or so and so told me how to do this or my Father and so on went through this.

Read through here and see how many unexperienced YTs post answers like they've whelped 20 litters and they've never ever bred a dog let alone whelped or raised a litter.

To those of you who do post answers that have never bred/whelped/raised a litter before aren't you ever afraid that maybe you gave the wrong advice? Do you ever wonder should I have said that? Do you ever question what you said? Aren't you ever afraid you'll mislead/misguide someone and something bad happen to their bitch or litter? Does experience have anything to do with your answers? Please help me to understand why you post.

And please anyone who anwers any of my questions try to be nice about it so this thread doesn't get locked or someone gets into trouble...I truely want to learn the whys of all this.

Thanks, Lee

When it comes to whelping, I don't usually answer because, for the most part, it wouldn't be fair to the person who asked the question. If I did give advice and an experienced breeder came along and disagreed, by all means listen to the one who is experienced. There is one area in particular that I know a fair amount about and that is health screening. There are different views on the subject and I have my own opinion. I will post my opinion and the original poster can decide what they want to do with that...

I think there will always be debates on an open forum and nobody can really stop that.
My major concern is the newbies that are getting chased away.
There are nice ways and not-so-nice ways to answer questions.
Read your response before you send it and if you wouldn't want someone talking to you like that, then delete it.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I think the Breeders' Forum is here to share experiences and learn from each other. This thread, however, is starting to resemble the one that was closed earlier. Surely there is a problem, either real or perceived, or it wouldn't keep getting brought up. I suggested on the earlier thread that the moderator PM anyone that posts comments that would generally be considered unduly rude, sarcastic etc. and offer a gentle reminder. I realize this is a big site that keep the mods busy, but this is an ongoing thing that needs some attention. I don't expect that they would catch every post as it happened, but while moderating, if something caught their eye, maybe a PM would be in order. I think if we all felt that Admin. had an eye out to maintain a level of civility, we could all relax and use this forum as intended.

I don't see this getting nasty...We are saying how we FEEL and there is nothing wrong with this...No one is arguring here. I feel maybe some of this is getting all out in the open the way it should and us ADULTS here not FUSS and FIGHT over it...It is a concern that has just been ongoing and RUNNING other NEW COMERS off and RUNNING way more EXPERIENCED BREEDERS OFF...This is not right...We can get along here if EVERYONE wants to.

That is the problem, there's people out there (Not only here at YT but everywhere in this world) that want to get the fight going and stand by and watch others go at it...This isn't right. Why do others have to come point out that this one said this or that one said that KNOWING it's going to get a big fuss going??? This isn't right either.

Why run and hide when there is a problem here on this forum and let it keep going and run others off, talk it over, clear it up and move on...This is what needs to be done. Can it be done...Why sure it can if EVERYONE will do it and do it in a respectful way!!!!!

I'm here to HELP and LEARN on my way to becoming a MORE responsible breeder. Hope you have a great weekend. Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by For My Coby

Couple quick comments from a non-breeder who enjoys learning why I am not a breeder.

In forums, there is always a bandwagon presence. If someone is rude (duly noted that the definition of rude is subjective), then suddenly there are others who chime in simply repeating what has already been said with the same "tone". The same thing happens as BakersDozen points out, when one person cries foul, other lurkers jump to their defense as well.

The other thing I keep in mind is that crying foul works both ways. Just as those being answered may need to have thicker skin and tough it out through the cold hard facts, should those giving the advice also tough it out without becoming defensive when people question the tone of their responses if they don't agree?

Bottom line - Neither the people getting information they don't like nor those giving advice that is questioned need to leave. I wish there was room for all........

I have to agree with you on these two it seem as tho there are little gangs going on here that have their own group of friends that they will just jump in and help...Including me too...And no this isn't fair or right...It is hard to sit back and see them being attacked all the time for their Experiences (I'm talking Breeders here) they've gone thorugh. I just hope it can all get cleared up and all of us here be on happy family at YT. Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

Well this site is huge and there are tons of threads and posts unfortunantly the mods and admin can't see them all.. However under the username by the online light there is a triangle with an exclamation point in it this can be used to report any post or thread found to be offensive go to the post that was offensive hit the button and tell admin about it. This way they will be sure to see it

I did NOT know this but thanks for this and I will keep it in mind...This may be helpful if people would do this. That is if I can find it lol. Thanks so much. Lee

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

I agree knowledge is knowledge whether from a book , hands on experience, from a trade school or otherwise. The key here is TACT!! If someone comes on here looking for advice then we should offer any experiences or education we can without judging a person. We all have to start somewhere and this Breeder's Section is a great place full of knowledge. We cannot force feed people our information, they ask for knowledge and all to often I see the being gagged to death by strong rude opinions only to run the other way non-educated. I truely wish those with such strong convictions would re-read their posts and make them as imformative and non-judgemental as possible. We should be helping those who come here to learn and receive some knowledge from us instead of running them off of making them feel attacked.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

I guess it is my turn.. I do NOT consider myself and "experienced" breeder, although I grew up in a family that bred Scotties, so I have been around it all of my life. That being said, I, myself, have experienced whelping two litters now. As most of you know, I lost the entire litter the first time.... some may say they were just too small... some may say it was my fault... either way, it just tore me apart. I have since whelped another litter and they have grown to be beautiful 1 year olds as of now. Does that make me experienced?? I don't think so, but I DO know about all of the things that can and DO go wrong. And maybe that doesn't qualify me to post here, but if I can help someone else by letting them know my experience, then I will do so.. and I try to do it in a civil manner. In this thread new to breeding .. I just went back and re-read my 1st post to the OP. I said what I said in what I thought was an informative manner, but now see it could be misunderstood. I posted later and told her about losing my babies.., and was happy to see that she actually said it made sense. In my opinion, this OP was very young and stubborn and did not have an open mind to start with. As soon as she mentioned that my post to her actually made sense I felt that it was my duty to develope some kind of friendly rapport with her and hope some of it got thru. I won't take credit for changing her mind.. but I am glad she did come back on and say that she is getting her girl spayed. If she comes back again and asks questions, I will be there to offer help and guidance if that is what she needs. Was I frustrated?? YES... Did I feel like I was talking to a wall?? YES... Did I feel like some of the posters were beating a dead horse?? YES.... Did the end justify the means?? YES... Could it have been accomplished without hard feelings? YES Does the OP have hard feelings?? YES!! Is she less likely to ask questions anymore?? YES....

Sad to say, but a little bit of tact can go a long way... we love our breed.... our hearts hurt to hear of one of our breed in pain or hurt in any way... But NO ONE learns by being beat down... remember when your mom said , "NO, you cannot go out with that boy!" It just made you want to do it even more, didn't it??

You should post what you've been through with Breeding Yorkies good and bad, this is how other people can learn. From what others go through.

You have a good point there...It's true. Hope u have a great weekend. Lee

[katelin]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I agree knowledge is knowledge whether from a book , hands on experience, from a trade school or otherwise. The key here is TACT!! If someone comes on here looking for advice then we should offer any experiences or education we can without judging a person. We all have to start somewhere and this Breeder's Section is a great place full of knowledge. We cannot force feed people our information, they ask for knowledge and all to often I see the being gagged to death by strong rude opinions only to run the other way non-educated. I truely wish those with such strong convictions would re-read their posts and make them as imformative and non-judgemental as possible. We should be helping those who come here to learn and receive some knowledge from us instead of running them off of making them feel attacked.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I did NOT know this but thanks for this and I will keep it in mind...This may be helpful if people would do this. That is if I can find it lol. Thanks so much. Lee

Yes it is a very helpful tool to combat inapropriate stuff

see my name to the left
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Look down more see the dot that is green on not on
right next to it is the triangle









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[Wylie's Mom]

The REPORT ICON looks like this: Oh, crap - nevermind - it won't attach properly..

[chachi]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I agree knowledge is knowledge whether from a book , hands on experience, from a trade school or otherwise. The key here is TACT!! If someone comes on here looking for advice then we should offer any experiences or education we can without judging a person. We all have to start somewhere and this Breeder's Section is a great place full of knowledge. We cannot force feed people our information, they ask for knowledge and all to often I see the being gagged to death by strong rude opinions only to run the other way non-educated. I truely wish those with such strong convictions would re-read their posts and make them as imformative and non-judgemental as possible. We should be helping those who come here to learn and receive some knowledge from us instead of running them off of making them feel attacked.

I dont post here often anymore but I read and wanted to say I really agree with your post I have also noticed your posts are always informative but non judgemental.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I agree, Dee. When you have people that have never whelped a pup but yet has talked to 1,000 vets on the subject, has read every book out there...and they think they know more than those that have actually experienced it...you just shake your head and walk away.

Those breeders are still out there...just pm them.

That is true but reading, watching videos is also learning too...There as Tami has said things in whelping that is being updated everyday with new testing and that is also how we learn...Experience also.

I'm trying to learn from each and everything there is out there to learn from books, to people to videos and from experience...Sometimes books can help if we read far enough into them.

Some of us here hasn't had really bad experiences with whelping such as me...So here at the Breeders Section is where I try to learn from too. I don't walk away from those who post about reading or talking to vets, every vet is different some went to school early in life and are older and very sit in their ways to where there are new ones who is learning all the new and sometimes easier ways of doing things with breeding/whelping/raising litter...So we shouldn't turn them away either.

They could post tho I have no experience in breeding dogs/yorkies but I'm in vet school or my vet has told my dad and so on this or that. This would help as Administrator posted earlier. I hope you or Dee don't take what I've said the wrong way, but after reading Tamis post and thinking about it I now have a change of thoughts...It is true what she had to say about learning. See we can all learn from each other if we want to. Hope U have a great weekend. Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Wylie's Mom & Amber I figured it out...Thanks so much for letting everyone know this...Maybe it can/could/will help with the fussing.

I've got a Yorkie to bath today and some walls to paint. I hope everything stays nice here and when I get back I can read what's being said so I can try to see others views and thoughts I want us all to get along here at the Breeders Section. Hugs to all and see you later this afternoon/evening. Lee

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

They could post tho I have no experience in breeding dogs/yorkies but I'm in vet school or my vet has told my dad and so on this or that. This would help as Administrator posted earlier. I hope you or Dee don't take what I've said the wrong way, but after reading Tamis post and thinking about it I now have a change of thoughts...It is true what she had to say about learning. See we can all learn from each other if we want to. Hope U have a great weekend. Lee

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont post here often anymore but I read and wanted to say I really agree with your post I have also noticed your posts are always informative but non judgemental.

I try to be helpful yet non-judgemental as possible, but I know when your passionate about something sometimes it's hard to word things calmly.