What Is The Breeders Section Here For????

[Breny]

My 2 cents

I for one, am not going anywhere I will be there to help anyone I am able to and hope when I need help someone will be there for me.

I have met alot of wonderful people here who I consider my friends even though I have never met them

I've had alot of help from you all And I hope I've help some as well.

I had another YT member on the phone just a week ago as I sat and wept as I lost my whole litter. I am grateful for that I had someone. Very grateful that she was there with me, even by phone. Without YT and the breeders section...I may have never met her.

So lets hope we can continue to meet, and help eachother, in anyway we can.

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

See, this is where I have concerns with threads like these and discussions such as this because: WHO is going to be the end-all-be-all judge when it comes to determining if something is "a nice helpful manner" or "a petty poster"?

What's the definition of helpful? What's the definition of education? Who's going to determine if something is educational enough or not enough - or inappropriate?

Unfortunately, in a public forum there are not concrete answers to these questions. Seems to me, though, that a good rule of thumb is...if we consistently find ourselves accused of being rude by a variety of people....we probably are being rude.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by Breny

My 2 cents

I for one, am not going anywhere I will be there to help anyone I am able to and hope when I need help someone will be there for me.

I have met alot of wonderful people here who I consider my friends even though I have never met them

I've had alot of help from you all And I hope I've help some as well.

I had another YT member on the phone just a week ago as I sat and wept as I lost my whole litter. I am grateful for that I had someone. Very grateful that she was there with me, even by phone. Without YT and the breeders section...I may have never met her.

So lets hope we can continue to meet, and help eachother, in anyway we can.

Great post Breny!!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

Nothing at all. However (and this is just my opinion), consider how differently these two responses come across:

OP: "I want to breed my little girl. She is a teacup and weighs four pounds. Any advice would be appreciated."

Response #1: "You don't know nearly enough about Yorkies to be breeding. There is no such thing as a teacup Yorkie. And 4 lbs! Do you want to be responsible for your little girl's death?????"

Response #2: "It's great that you are researching before you breed. You'll want to take a look at.........most breeders prefer their girls to be at least 5 lbs., due to the risks involved. I would suggest reading........it is also wise to find a mentor. Usually a person will need to research for many months (or years) before breeding......"

Both responses are honest, but only one will tend to initiate further conversation and education.

Great! That is exactly what i mean...

Instead of saying you idiot you shouldn't be allowed to have dogs let alone breed them.

you could say
please do more reaserch a lot of the small females have problems breeding and you could loose her. Here are a few links to great threads,post, or websites to help you

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

...if we consistently find ourselves accused of being rude by a variety of people....we probably are being rude.

But my point is - it's not a variety of people. It's usually the same group of people calling the same group of people rude. So, I see it more as intolerance of folks who are already here. I think there is room for everyone. I think we just need to show more respect and acceptance for those who are already here and care and show up.

[tiggerr36792]

Education is all about TACT! Yes there are different ways of getting the same point across, all we can do is try to educate. Some will listen and learn and others still won't Imo all we can do is try our best!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

But my point is - it's not a variety of people. It's usually the same group of people calling the same group of people rude. So, I see it more as intolerance of folks who are already here. I think there is room for everyone. I think we just need to show more respect and acceptance for those who are already here and care and show up.

I do agree, But my post wasn't to single out a group of ppl i just know 1 or 2 ppl (heck i don't even think they know eachother) seem to post a lot of negativity. It's like they are trying to cause problems. The thing that upsets me is they have no facts or proof to back up what they say. I feel if you are going to be that Bold in posting you should at least be able to back it up with proof
I know that there are some threads that the op just wouldn't listen to anything positive or helpful and it does get ugly and on those people who just don't care at all about learning i do feel some tough love is needed but who are we to judge really? you can't cram your opinion down someone's throat and expect them to hear what you are saying. I am just saying to take a different approach is all

I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that you catch more Bee's with honey than with vinager

Sorry I think i am coming off wrong i just want YT to be a happy, informative place to get help and share your experiances

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that you catch more Bee's with honey than with vinager

Sign me up! This I can get on board with, now you're speakin' my language!

[TeddyandTiffy]

I'm not trying to ask this to cause trouble or get a fight going I want to know WHY...See I ask QUESTIONS all the time, just ask others here how much I ask questions and I learn from the ANSWERS others give me...

Can I ask why those of you who don't breed post in the "Breeders Section" and give advice??? If you have NO experience then why do you post?

Isn't this a Section for Experienced Breeders to give advise and for those who are wanting to learn more about breeding/whelping/raising a litter and for those who are new at it or have a bitch that is pregnant or about to whelp that truly needs the help?

I know if I had never bred before and didn't have the Experience then I would not post here in this section...If and I say If I did I would say I have NO Experience with Breeding but I seen or heard or read or so and so told me how to do this or my Father and so on went through this.

Read through here and see how many unexperienced YTs post answers like they've whelped 20 litters and they've never ever bred a dog let alone whelped or raised a litter.

To those of you who do post answers that have never bred/whelped/raised a litter before aren't you ever afraid that maybe you gave the wrong advice? Do you ever wonder should I have said that? Do you ever question what you said? Aren't you ever afraid you'll mislead/misguide someone and something bad happen to their bitch or litter? Does experience have anything to do with your answers? Please help me to understand why you post.

And please anyone who anwers any of my questions try to be nice about it so this thread doesn't get locked or someone gets into trouble...I truely want to learn the whys of all this.

Thanks, Lee

[sheilajom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Sign me up! This I can get on board with, now you're speakin' my language!

I don't know what language you are talking about, but your avatar is the cutest thing I've ever seen!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Sign me up! This I can get on board with, now you're speakin' my language!

I was hoping you's come Buzzing my way for the sweet honey lol. i love ya girl and i am so glad you are now a mod. You speak the truth and are funny to

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

To those of you who do post answers that have never bred/whelped/raised a litter before aren't you ever afraid that maybe you gave the wrong advice? Do you ever wonder should I have said that? Do you ever question what you said? Aren't you ever afraid you'll mislead/misguide someone and something bad happen to their bitch or litter? Does experience have anything to do with your answers? Please help me to understand why you post.

Thanks, Lee[/color][/size]

I would love to know the answer to this as well
I am not a breeder nor do i give advise about breeding i leave that to the people who know what they are doing

I really need to stop posting lol i don't know why i started hahaha

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

lee, it isn't the breeders causing the trouble but a few non breeders. That's why most of us breeders stay away. The others want the forum so we basically gave it to them and now people are not being helped by experienced breeders but by those that don't even know what it is like to stay up and feed a puppy every hour round the clock for several days and all the other little things about breeding that isn't learned in a book. Just my opinion and opinion are like buttholes, everyone has one.

You know I was really thinking about leaving as some here do make us Breeders feel bad but I'm kinda like Breny....Nope don't think so...Gonna stick it out and "Try" to help others here that truely need and want the help. Why should we give in to them??? I was always taught "You Got To Stand For Something Or You'll Fall For Anything" well that's how I feel now...I'm gonna stand right here with my Breeding help...For those who really truely need and want the help. You've help me too learn so I want to thank you personally for your help you've given me and your wisdom you've shared with me. Lee

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I'm not trying to ask this to cause trouble or get a fight going I want to know WHY...See I ask QUESTIONS all the time, just ask others here how much I ask questions and I learn from the ANSWERS others give me...

Can I ask why those of you who don't breed post in the "Breeders Section" and give advice??? If you have NO experience then why do you post?

Isn't this a Section for Experienced Breeders to give advise and for those who are wanting to learn more about breeding/whelping/raising a litter and for those who are new at it or have a bitch that is pregnant or about to whelp that truly needs the help?

I know if I had never bred before and didn't have the Experience then I would not post here in this section...If and I say If I did I would say I have NO Experience with Breeding but I seen or heard or read or so and so told me how to do this or my Father and so on went through this.

Read through here and see how many unexperienced YTs post answers like they've whelped 20 litters and they've never ever bred a dog let alone whelped or raised a litter.

To those of you who do post answers that have never bred/whelped/raised a litter before aren't you ever afraid that maybe you gave the wrong advice? Do you ever wonder should I have said that? Do you ever question what you said? Aren't you ever afraid you'll mislead/misguide someone and something bad happen to their bitch or litter? Does experience have anything to do with your answers? Please help me to understand why you post.

And please anyone who anwers any of my questions try to be nice about it so this thread doesn't get locked or someone gets into trouble...I truely want to learn the whys of all this.

Thanks, Lee

Personally, I post when I have facts to share or when the OP has asked for an opinion. I usually don't post on anything but general questions, although I have helped whelp several litters and one by myself, and helped raise several litters. But since I personally do not own Yorkies that I breed, I usually don't answer any whelping questions. I do ask for clarification if there is something I don't understand, as I do plan to breed someday. This is the only reason I even visit this forum, if I had no plans to breed I would never take the time to wade through all the drama. But I have learned some 'good stuff' here, and that is why I stay....sometimes I just have to take a break for a week or so.

[sheilajom]

I don't go to any particular forum. I just click the "new posts" icon and read from there. I often dont' even look to see where it was posted. I'm sure many others do the same. But just because you don't breed doesn't mean you should stay out of the forum, that's rude to say, some of the questions are general and anyone that has a dog could answer. Just because I can't sing, doesn't mean I'm not qualified to tell someone else that they can't either lol!