Breeding my Teacup

[Woogie Man]

LOl.....never heard of the 'rule of thumb' in measuring pelvic size . Sounds about right though, being a guy, my thumb's a little bigger.

[Olive]

Thank you for your kind and not so kind and unwelcoming messages.
I am very surprised at how snippy and rude this forum is.

I will talk to my vet about the options.

Thanks for your advice.

Done with this site,
Olive

[CricketBaby]

Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen

Well, first of all, as many others have said, she really should be at least 5 pounds before you consider breeding her, but you should know that there are 5 lbers, heck, there are TEN pounders that have trouble whelping litters. Anything can happen and you always have to be prepared that you're taking a risk to lose your girl if you breed. The best thing to do is to research her lines and see if her parents had any trouble whelping litters, and if there are any serious health problems in her genetics (even if they don't show up in her they could be further back) such as liver shunt. Then, as Woogieman mentioned, her pelvic bones must be wide enough for her to deliver a pup. My mentor taught me to stick my thumb in the groove of the pelvic bone. If it fits in easily and you have a little wiggle room, she should be able to have normal sized puppies ok. If it contours to your thumb or you can't get your thumb in there at all, you probably shouldn't do it.

But, if you DO decide to breed her, the best thing you can do is to RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH, and find a mentor to help you. The best way to learn is hands on experience, so if I can find someone who trusts you to sit in on a litter being born, that's the best way to do it. There is also LOTS of good information on this site, you just have to look around. Good luck!

You were very nice and informative! I have learned so much on here but it has taken time. I am so thankful for my friends and the information on this Forum. This person was brave enough to ask for information....it will take time for her to learn as well.

[CricketBaby]

Originally Posted by Olive

Thank you for your kind and not so kind and unwelcoming messages.
I am very surprised at how snippy and rude this forum is.

I will talk to my vet about the options.

Thanks for your advice.

Done with this site,
Olive

Hey Olive,

There are lots of good and kind people on this forum..You just haven't met them all!

[Olive]

Thank you CricketBaby,
What is with the not so nice/friendly people on here???
VERY discouraging!!!
And I signed a specific contract with Yorkie Palace that does allow me to breed her.

[Olive]

I have NO intention of hurting my yorkie. MY GOD, that is why I signed up on this forum.
Is this Paris Hilton??????
Man, lay off. I am trying to learn about my baby.

[marcerella02]

Originally Posted by Olive

Thank you CricketBaby,
What is with the not so nice/friendly people on here???
VERY discouraging!!!
And I signed a specific contract with Yorkie Palace that does allow me to breed her.

i agree with Cricketbaby.. stick around.. just ignore the people who are rude.. they are everywhere in the world... sadly.. here as well. But this site is filled with amazing people who want to help and support eachother. Please dont' leave because of 1 or 2. The breeder section of this site tends to be a place of much "discussion" or arguing. There are people on here who are very passionate about breeding and just want everyone to be fully informed before they take that step. I'm sure if you stick around people will be more than happy to help you learn to be a great breeder.

[Woogie Man]

As Emrldshdwquen posted, you really have to be up on your research. If this is her first heat, you have some time to study up while you wait to see if she gains a little size by her second heat. Also, you have time to have her health tested and to find a potential stud, if you don't already have one in mind. Consulting with your vet is a good idea. Hopefully, your vet has good experience with the smaller breeds. If not, you may want to consider finding one that does. There's a lot to consider, but you have time. 2 good books are The New Complete Yorkshire Terrier by Joan Gordon and also The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Sevane.

[EmrldShdwQueen]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

LOl.....never heard of the 'rule of thumb' in measuring pelvic size . Sounds about right though, being a guy, my thumb's a little bigger.

Yep, that's why for me there has to be a little "wiggle room" lol It works pretty well so far...

[sheilajom]

Originally Posted by marcerella02

i just asked that you be respectful. how are people supposed to learn without asking questions? People leave YT because of rude posts and sadly will breed with little or no knowledge. At least if they come here first they can learn the ins and outs.

Ok, here is the "nice" response. Contact the person that you bought her from and ask what she says. That is the best idea. She obviously knows what she's doing and knows the lineage of the dog and can best advise you on what to do. I'm curious why you haven't done this already instead of asking online?

[sheilajom]

Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen

Yep, that's why for me there has to be a little "wiggle room" lol It works pretty well so far...

That's funny, too bad I don't have a girl to try that on lol!

[EmrldShdwQueen]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

As Emrldshdwquen posted, you really have to be up on your research. If this is her first heat, you have some time to study up while you wait to see if she gains a little size by her second heat. Also, you have time to have her health tested and to find a potential stud, if you don't already have one in mind. Consulting with your vet is a good idea. Hopefully, your vet has good experience with the smaller breeds. If not, you may want to consider finding one that does. There's a lot to consider, but you have time. 2 good books are The New Complete Yorkshire Terrier by Joan Gordon and also The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Sevane.

I love those books

[KYBLUE]

so she is akc reg?

look no one is really trying to be rude you have alot of wonderful breeders on here that have helped a many of yt members who were clueless on breeding and a many of us have been on line late at night giving support to a yt member who's dog is in whelp and there to support them

just ask some of them the experience with breeding smaller girl and just how risky to your little girl this may be and money to be mad well as of yet i have made none . vet bills caring for the mom testing pup's and staying home just about around the clock for 12 week's or better it is not that we are against you it just is scary to think another unexperinced breeder want to bred an under sized girl with no know ledge there is alot to learn about breeding whelping testing finding the right sire knowing his back ground that you don't throw pup's way to big for her to have it is just alot to learn and when you use the word tea cup many of us go into on no mode

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by Olive

Thank you CricketBaby,
What is with the not so nice/friendly people on here???
VERY discouraging!!!
And I signed a specific contract with Yorkie Palace that does allow me to breed her.

Olive,
No one is trying to be rude, some people just get very passionate about how they feel about people going into breeding when they don't know as much as they should. I'm sorry if anyone made you feel bad. I don't think they meant to.

As others have said, responsible breeders will make sure that their girls are at least 5lbs with the proper build for giving birth. That is because it is not uncommon for there to be MAJOR complications when the mommies are too little.

Now, that does not mean that there aren't breeders out there who do breed tiny yorkies. There are lots of them, but a good breeder tries her best to breed according to the yorkshire terrier standard (which you can find on the YTCA website...ytca.org).

The reason some people got a little testy with you when you used the word "teacup" is because some bad breeders will use that term to get more money for tiny yorkies. Since there is great risk for the yorkie mommies when they are bred that small, it makes yorkie lovers mad to think that someone might want to profit at the expense of their yorkie. And when they hear the word "teacup," it is associated with those kind of breeders. Generally speaking, 4 lbs and under is considered tiny, and not suitable for breeding.

There are so many things to consider, since after all, when you breed, you are making dog lives happen. It is best left to those experienced breeders who have good intentions for the dogs they breed.

Anyway, welcome to YT.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Olive

I have NO intention of hurting my yorkie. MY GOD, that is why I signed up on this forum.
Is this Paris Hilton??????
Man, lay off. I am trying to learn about my baby.

Please don't give up on us Olive, we can learn. Welcome to Yorkietalk and I commend you for doing some research before you allowed your dog to become pregnant. If you stick around long enough, you will learn that the title of your thread it very provocative. Saying the teacup word is similar to using a swear word and using the word breeding with the word teacup is similar to a very BIG swear word. It's actually kind of funny, but people get worked up using those words. The Yorkshire Terrier only has one classification and that’s the toy group and standard is anything below 7 pounds. Poodles have 3 classifications, as you many know, which are standard, miniature and toy. The word t-cup came about with poodles and they were referring to the toy group. It isn't used officially with poodles either, and some people are upset because of the tendency to breed smaller and smaller dogs catering to people who want purse puppies and fashion accessories. Some people do breed 4-pound dogs, but it depends on other things such as body structure. I'm no breeder so I can't tell you much more than that. I just want to ask that you give us a second chance. You will learn a lot, and I hope we will learn something too.