BAby Doll Face

[cgven]

Is this a standard for the breed?

[Ladyhawk]

In the Illustrated Discussion of the Yorkshire Terrier by YTCA ut states that the muzzle should be medium in length and never very short that it creates what some people call a "doll face" or "pussy cat" face, because that Yorkie usually has a round, apple head with too deep a stop, both of which are improper. With a baby doll face you will usually see a round, more prominent eye as well when the standard calls for a medium sized eye and an oval shape is preferred. YTCA members are forbidden to use the term baby doll faced in their advertising as well.

[CoCo Puff Stuff]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

In the Illustrated Discussion of the Yorkshire Terrier by YTCA ut states that the muzzle should be medium in length and never very short that it creates what some people call a "doll face" or "pussy cat" face, because that Yorkie usually has a round, apple head with too deep a stop, both of which are improper. With a baby doll face you will usually see a round, more prominent eye as well when the standard calls for a medium sized eye and an oval shape is preferred. YTCA members are forbidden to use the term baby doll faced in their advertising as well.

Interesting that baby doll isn't the correct look but so many are trying to breed for it, and so many buyers trying to find it. So this look DOESN'T go over in the show ring?

[BamaFan121s]

Tami you are so right. To me it's a bit concerning that this is a 'look' that has not only been categorized and labeled to make it seem 'appealing,' but that it seems to be in high demand, not within the standard, and breeders are selectively breeding to try to achieve the flatter look.

It makes me wonder if over time (or even just with one breeding) the resulting dogs are not being put more at risk for some of the health issues more common with brachycepalic breeds. It's a personal theory and one area of interest that I plan to do research on in the near future as soon as I can find the time. (HA!)

[MindieRose]

about 11 years ago we purchased a Boston Terrier from what we thought was a good breeder. They sold him to me for more than any other pup in the litter because he was the smallest and apparently they thought that was better Being young and not educated about Bostons at ALL, I took their word for it and thought I had one fine Boston. His head was tiny compared to any other boston I had seen, but large for his body, he was about the size of a large Chi. The breeders made me feel like I got this awesome dog, but what I ended up with was a dog with hydrocephalus that walked sideways and his back legs would come off of the ground when he was eating All because the breeders were trying to make them smaller and daintier. I didnt even know what a real Boston was supposed to look like until I did my homework. We ended up having to rehome him to someone who could take care of him better because we were young, just married, and broke.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by CoCo Puff Stuff

Interesting that baby doll isn't the correct look but so many are trying to breed for it, and so many buyers trying to find it. So this look DOESN'T go over in the show ring?

A short muzzle, round head and prominent eyes are an incorrect look for a yorkie and should not do well in the ring. It is popular amongst pet breeders as is smaller dogs. After a while yorkies will end up looking like Chi's dripping in coat! Yorkies are terriers and should retain the terrier look and attitude. I was imformed this weekend by a member of an international handling team that in other countries that yorkies aren't shown in the toy class but in the terrrier class.

[txshopper73]

Interesting thread! I, personally, like the shorter muzzle...but not the flat faced that I have seen on some champions.

Like with anything else, I think there are different degrees. I see long muzzles, terrier muzzles (which is more a medium length), short muzzles (what I call baby doll) and extreme baby doll face (or flat faced).

[Brooklynn]

My little Molly has the round eyes with a small head but she doesn't have a smushy nose, her mother has round eyes but a longer nose. I guess she would have a baby doll face but not the extreme one I'd say...very pleasing since her nose isn't long like her momma's. It's not correct the round eyes but Cammie won alot with her eyes. Molly is just more prettier LOL..
I do prefer the almond shaped eyes which are correct but since Molly doesn't have the longer nose like momma she's prettier

[CoCo Puff Stuff]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

A short muzzle, round head and prominent eyes are an incorrect look for a yorkie and should not do well in the ring. It is popular amongst pet breeders as is smaller dogs. After a while yorkies will end up looking like Chi's dripping in coat! Yorkies are terriers and should retain the terrier look and attitude. I was imformed this weekend by a member of an international handling team that in other countries that yorkies aren't shown in the toy class but in the terrrier class.

I see, thank you!

[CoCo Puff Stuff]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Interesting thread! I, personally, like the shorter muzzle...but not the flat faced that I have seen on some champions.

Like with anything else, I think there are different degrees. I see long muzzles, terrier muzzles (which is more a medium length), short muzzles (what I call baby doll) and extreme baby doll face (or flat faced).

So is the dog in your avatar considered a shorter muzzle?

[CoCo Puff Stuff]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

My little Molly has the round eyes with a small head but she doesn't have a smushy nose, her mother has round eyes but a longer nose. I guess she would have a baby doll face but not the extreme one I'd say...very pleasing since her nose isn't long like her momma's. It's not correct the round eyes but Cammie won alot with her eyes. Molly is just more prettier LOL..
I do prefer the almond shaped eyes which are correct but since Molly doesn't have the longer nose like momma she's prettier

Sounds like there are some differences in opinion. So does it come down to the judge? All you guys dogs are beautys btw.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by CoCo Puff Stuff

Sounds like there are some differences in opinion. So does it come down to the judge? All you guys dogs are beautys btw.

While the almond eyes are the correct eyes and that is what I prefer, I wouldn't take one out of my breeding program just because they have the round eye. While Cammie has more of a terrier face with a round eye, her daughter Molly has the round eyes but with a more baby doll face, no other way to call it I guess, but her daddy has a beautiful face with the almond eyes and I guess that's why Molly has a prettier face but has her momma's eyes...it's really what the judge likes and I don't think a judge really looks at the eyes in my opinion...Cammie done alot of winning with her round eyes she went #1 yorkie bitch in 05 so the eyes didn't matter LOL...
Currently there is a bitch special being shown that has the smushy face and is winning...

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by CoCo Puff Stuff

So is the dog in your avatar considered a shorter muzzle?

No...London does not have an extreme short muzzle nor is it long. To me, it is the perfect length (about 1 1/2 inches from stop to tip of nose) The angle of the shot gives the appearance of a long muzzle but she doesn't have it by any means. Also, London's muzzle is wider than her mother's and she has a wider eye set than her mother's.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

A short muzzle, round head and prominent eyes are an incorrect look for a yorkie and should not do well in the ring. It is popular amongst pet breeders as is smaller dogs. After a while yorkies will end up looking like Chi's dripping in coat! Yorkies are terriers and should retain the terrier look and attitude. I was imformed this weekend by a member of an international handling team that in other countries that yorkies aren't shown in the toy class but in the terrrier class.

I have often wondered why they aren't shown in the terrier group here. The silkies are. (I think). But it looks like anything with terrier in their name would be shown in that group.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Interesting thread! I, personally, like the shorter muzzle...but not the flat faced that I have seen on some champions.

Like with anything else, I think there are different degrees. I see long muzzles, terrier muzzles (which is more a medium length), short muzzles (what I call baby doll) and extreme baby doll face (or flat faced).

Ceeby has thrown a lot of Baby Doll faces and some people call his baby doll but he looks a lot like the dog in your avatar. he has a button nose and big round eyes and I personally love that look as compared to the longer muzzle. I, too, have seen some really pretty Baby Doll face yorkies do well in the show ring so I guess it is up to the judge on what particular day you show Now, Frankie, in my avatar, does have the true babydoll face.