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mypreciouspups · 03-22-2008, 06:28 AM

I co -own a yorkie who is 8 months old. My friend when purchasing this dog for a stud was told and given papers.. These papers stated that he had been vet checked and had his testes. This is on his papers/contact.
I took him to a vet here, had two vets look at him and was told by both that he had no testes that they could feel.. one said they had to be pretty flat if they were there...We told the breeder we got him from..
Now the breeder is saying that she has had two previous experiences with this, and that she claims he is to tiny and young and she is positive they will drop..on doing a first breeding... I have two females in heat right now, he has no interest in my females what so ever..
I need some advice on this and hope all you breeders with experience will come on here and tell me...I find it hard to believe that number one as she says if we breed him they will drop at this point.. How do you breed a male with no testes...

YorkieRose · 03-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Do you live close to the breed? Can you go to her vet who checked this pup out and said he was intact?? Can you call? Quite frankly, I would have an issue with the vet and breeder..but I would not buy a stud potential at any age if I could not feel the testicles or at least pulll them into place...they may not stay at an early age, but you can work them down if they are there. (painless to the dog)...a simple massage.

If there are no testicles at 8 months, the chances are slim to nothing they will appear. The breeder does not know what they are talking about...they are stalling.

bjh · 03-22-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I co -own a yorkie who is 8 months old. My friend when purchasing this dog for a stud was told and given papers.. These papers stated that he had been vet checked and had his testes. This is on his papers/contact.
I took him to a vet here, had two vets look at him and was told by both that he had no testes that they could feel.. one said they had to be pretty flat if they were there...We told the breeder we got him from..
Now the breeder is saying that she has had two previous experiences with this, and that she claims he is to tiny and young and she is positive they will drop..on doing a first breeding... I have two females in heat right now, he has no interest in my females what so ever..
I need some advice on this and hope all you breeders with experience will come on here and tell me...I find it hard to believe that number one as she says if we breed him they will drop at this point.. How do you breed a male with no testes...

Eight months is way to young to expect a male to be interested in breeding, especially if he is a small male. Most likely he does not even have sperm yet. How much does he weigh? The testicles can go up and down until the dog is about a year old and then they should stay down. They can be very hard to find on a tiny dog. As a dog matures and they get more sperm then the testicles will get larger. A male with one testicle can still impregnate a female but it is not wise to use males with one testicle because the problem is hereditary.

mypreciouspups · 03-22-2008, 04:09 PM

My friend, did the picking him up, she told me they were not down, but told my friend that the vet had felt them, and that stress of going to a new home would and could be a reason they go back up or stay up. I am no dummy by any sence of the word.. but because I was in florida and my friend got him prior to her coming to florida also.. I was not the one who picked him up, I also realize that he could be too young to breed, but I also know that a male can breed at 8 months old. I have seen it happen myself..
When I saw him for the first time, I took him to a vet, in fact two looked at him and told me about the lemon laws in florida, I said I was aware of that law.. as I had my first litter while in florida for the winter.. too bad it was not that way all over...
I know how I feel and what I know, and how I am feeling.. I just needed some long time breeders confirm what I am feeling prior to my saying anything.. and I also had never heard of a male with testes that you could not feel.. all of a sudden breed with a female, and at this time all of a sudden the tests drop.. I am needing to hear that I am not nuts completely...
Upon getting an email from her, she nows says apparently the vet did not put this on paper.. but the contract says he is intact.. I have not had him with me, I am not emotionally involved.. I think the game is.. my friend has fallen for this little guy.. and of course the deal usually is, return the puppy for a new one.. so I have said to my friend, either you follow your head or your heart..
again I am not the one attached to him now..

bjh · 03-22-2008, 06:05 PM

The testes on young male dogs can go up and down. It happens with puppies all the time. I had a 12 week old pup once that I took to the vets and he told me he felt is testes but by the time the pup was 6 months old he only had one dropped. How small is your male? I have heard of some dogs not having their testes drop until they were nearly a year old but that is not very common. If you bought your dog as breeding quality then the breeder should be obligated to replace him.

mypreciouspups · 03-22-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh

The testes on young male dogs can go up and down. It happens with puppies all the time. I had a 12 week old pup once that I took to the vets and he told me he felt is testes but by the time the pup was 6 months old he only had one dropped. How small is your male? I have heard of some dogs not having their testes drop until they were nearly a year old but that is not very common. If you bought your dog as breeding quality then the breeder should be obligated to replace him.

Oh he is tiny, he is 2.6 I think it was... and I have never had such a tiny yorkie before neither.... but the vet did not think they were going to come down.. and that is what I am wondering also.. is it only due to him being tiny...

bjh · 03-22-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

Oh he is tiny, he is 2.6 I think it was... and I have never had such a tiny yorkie before neither.... but the vet did not think they were going to come down.. and that is what I am wondering also.. is it only due to him being tiny...

The tiny males seem to have the problem more often but the boy I had that ended up with one teste was 6 lbs. I would say that if he does not have them down by now then there is a good chance they will never come down.

Pretty Penny · 03-22-2008, 07:02 PM

He is much too young to breed even tho you have seen it. I know a close friend that bred her tiny male at nine months and ended up having a dead, deformed puppy and the vet said it was because the sperm had not yet matured. You should be able to get your money back and if yur friend is that attached to him, she should give you you half of the money back. it isn't fair for you to have to pay for a dog that you probably will not ever be able to use as a stud just so she can have a pet.

mypreciouspups · 03-23-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Penny

He is much too young to breed even tho you have seen it. I know a close friend that bred her tiny male at nine months and ended up having a dead, deformed puppy and the vet said it was because the sperm had not yet matured. You should be able to get your money back and if yur friend is that attached to him, she should give you you half of the money back. it isn't fair for you to have to pay for a dog that you probably will not ever be able to use as a stud just so she can have a pet.

Good post...thanks.. and welcome to yt...I am always willing to learn.. and had not heard of this malformed stuff from a stud being too young.. wow..
It is really hard for me right now, I know what I would do, I just had to give a male away that I paid big bucks for.. he was not good enough, now this..grrrrrrrrr

MyFairLacy · 03-23-2008, 11:31 AM

He is too young to breed now (even though it may be possible). Also, cryptorchid males should not be bred because it is hereditary. If they don't appear very soon, I'd have him neutered and would not breed him.

YorkieRose · 03-23-2008, 01:35 PM

This is where I do not agree...I have started dozens of males at stud and many for friends...A good stud potential should show interest in females starting around 5 to 6 months...does not mean they will breed, far too young, but the reliable ones..ones who breed every time a bitch walks in the room, is a male who notices the smell of a bitch in heat...he will not have a clue as to why he finds her attractive, but he will want to pay attention to her.
If one of my males did not have testicles that could be massaged in place by 4 to 6 months, I would not keep him...but we all have our ways of doing this...and "a hit or miss, maybe I will or maybe I won't stud" is not worth the unreliableness to me....if someone get/got a stud potential from me, I guarantee testicles at 4/5 months or you can have you money back....too many breeder sell puppies with no clue as to what they are selling...

MyFairLacy · 03-23-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

He is too young to breed now (even though it may be possible). Also, cryptorchid males should not be bred because it is hereditary. If they don't appear very soon, I'd have him neutered and would not breed him.

I meant to say he is too young to be bred now...no one should breed a puppy at only 8 months of age. He probably CAN breed..but he should not be bred at that young of an age.

mypreciouspups · 03-23-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

This is where I do not agree...I have started dozens of males at stud and many for friends...A good stud potential should show interest in females starting around 5 to 6 months...does not mean they will breed, far too young, but the reliable ones..ones who breed every time a bitch walks in the room, is a male who notices the smell of a bitch in heat...he will not have a clue as to why he finds her attractive, but he will want to pay attention to her.
If one of my males did not have testicles that could be massaged in place by 4 to 6 months, I would not keep him...but we all have our ways of doing this...and "a hit or miss, maybe I will or maybe I won't stud" is not worth the unreliableness to me....if someone get/got a stud potential from me, I guarantee testicles at 4/5 months or you can have you money back....too many breeder sell puppies with no clue as to what they are selling...

thank you, I am feeling the same way.. I tried to tell the breeder that I had two in heat, and no interest what so ever.. and she is kinda thinking he will breed without testes.. never heard of that.. and then she says they will drop.. call me stupid.. I am no pro by any means.. but I am wondering and questioning.. thus asking for help.. I am not saying I wanted to breed with him, I was not expecting that.. but like you.. he should show some kind of interest.. and yet breeder tells me omg he is just a baby.. I am feeling she is thinking what am I thinking that she should be dropped by now.. or at least be able to feel them, not me and not the two vets I took him to.. I tell her, she tells me basically that I have nothing to worry about.. I was born in the night, but it was not last night. thanks

EmrldShdwQueen · 03-23-2008, 04:18 PM

That sounds a little fishy to me. Ryder is only 2 lbs and he had his testicles both dropped at 5 months. Now at almost 7 months he isn't completely sure yet about the purpose, but he goes around and smells all the females rears anytime he enters the room.

Tucker already had his when I got him at 7 months...he's almost 9 months now. He tried his hardest to breed Lola through his belly band and her diaper when she was in heat. Now my sisters dog is in...he smells her but doesn't really try to breed. He's not completely sure what to do with himself yet and when to do what...but he has the instinct. By a year he should be more than ready, although he'll be at least 14 months before I let him breed.

Ryder may take longer, just because of his size, but I'm not worried about a lack of interest. A male not being interested in a female at that age just seems strange to me...

Brooklynn · 03-23-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen

That sounds a little fishy to me. Ryder is only 2 lbs and he had his testicles both dropped at 5 months. Now at almost 7 months he isn't completely sure yet about the purpose, but he goes around and smells all the females rears anytime he enters the room.

Tucker already had his when I got him at 7 months...he's almost 9 months now. He tried his hardest to breed Lola through his belly band and her diaper when she was in heat. Now my sisters dog is in...he smells her but doesn't really try to breed. He's not completely sure what to do with himself yet and when to do what...but he has the instinct. By a year he should be more than ready, although he'll be at least 14 months before I let him breed.

Ryder may take longer, just because of his size, but I'm not worried about a lack of interest. A male not being interested in a female at that age just seems strange to me...

I know we both have a brooklynn but I wanted to let you know I also have a Tucker LOL....Tucker was my first champion but he's now my neutered little champion

Brooklynn is my baby!
I know this is off topic lol

03-22-2008, 06:28 AM	#1
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 3,684	need help/advice on what to do I co -own a yorkie who is 8 months old. My friend when purchasing this dog for a stud was told and given papers.. These papers stated that he had been vet checked and had his testes. This is on his papers/contact. I took him to a vet here, had two vets look at him and was told by both that he had no testes that they could feel.. one said they had to be pretty flat if they were there...We told the breeder we got him from.. Now the breeder is saying that she has had two previous experiences with this, and that she claims he is to tiny and young and she is positive they will drop..on doing a first breeding... I have two females in heat right now, he has no interest in my females what so ever.. I need some advice on this and hope all you breeders with experience will come on here and tell me...I find it hard to believe that number one as she says if we breed him they will drop at this point.. How do you breed a male with no testes... __________________ Kacee, Kandie, Princess Grace, and Maravilhosa anne/pooh's mum my yorkies are my life

03-22-2008, 08:13 AM	#2
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	problem Do you live close to the breed? Can you go to her vet who checked this pup out and said he was intact?? Can you call? Quite frankly, I would have an issue with the vet and breeder..but I would not buy a stud potential at any age if I could not feel the testicles or at least pulll them into place...they may not stay at an early age, but you can work them down if they are there. (painless to the dog)...a simple massage. If there are no testicles at 8 months, the chances are slim to nothing they will appear. The breeder does not know what they are talking about...they are stalling. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim Last edited by YorkieRose; 03-22-2008 at 08:15 AM.

03-22-2008, 04:09 PM	#4
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 3,684	My friend, did the picking him up, she told me they were not down, but told my friend that the vet had felt them, and that stress of going to a new home would and could be a reason they go back up or stay up. I am no dummy by any sence of the word.. but because I was in florida and my friend got him prior to her coming to florida also.. I was not the one who picked him up, I also realize that he could be too young to breed, but I also know that a male can breed at 8 months old. I have seen it happen myself.. When I saw him for the first time, I took him to a vet, in fact two looked at him and told me about the lemon laws in florida, I said I was aware of that law.. as I had my first litter while in florida for the winter.. too bad it was not that way all over... I know how I feel and what I know, and how I am feeling.. I just needed some long time breeders confirm what I am feeling prior to my saying anything.. and I also had never heard of a male with testes that you could not feel.. all of a sudden breed with a female, and at this time all of a sudden the tests drop.. I am needing to hear that I am not nuts completely... Upon getting an email from her, she nows says apparently the vet did not put this on paper.. but the contract says he is intact.. I have not had him with me, I am not emotionally involved.. I think the game is.. my friend has fallen for this little guy.. and of course the deal usually is, return the puppy for a new one.. so I have said to my friend, either you follow your head or your heart.. again I am not the one attached to him now.. __________________ Kacee, Kandie, Princess Grace, and Maravilhosa anne/pooh's mum my yorkies are my life Last edited by mypreciouspups; 03-22-2008 at 04:12 PM.

03-23-2008, 11:31 AM	#10
MyFairLacy Donating YT 8000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 9,532	He is too young to breed now (even though it may be possible). Also, cryptorchid males should not be bred because it is hereditary. If they don't appear very soon, I'd have him neutered and would not breed him. __________________ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

03-23-2008, 01:35 PM	#11
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	studs This is where I do not agree...I have started dozens of males at stud and many for friends...A good stud potential should show interest in females starting around 5 to 6 months...does not mean they will breed, far too young, but the reliable ones..ones who breed every time a bitch walks in the room, is a male who notices the smell of a bitch in heat...he will not have a clue as to why he finds her attractive, but he will want to pay attention to her. If one of my males did not have testicles that could be massaged in place by 4 to 6 months, I would not keep him...but we all have our ways of doing this...and "a hit or miss, maybe I will or maybe I won't stud" is not worth the unreliableness to me....if someone get/got a stud potential from me, I guarantee testicles at 4/5 months or you can have you money back....too many breeder sell puppies with no clue as to what they are selling... __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

03-22-2008, 06:05 PM	#5
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,520	The testes on young male dogs can go up and down. It happens with puppies all the time. I had a 12 week old pup once that I took to the vets and he told me he felt is testes but by the time the pup was 6 months old he only had one dropped. How small is your male? I have heard of some dogs not having their testes drop until they were nearly a year old but that is not very common. If you bought your dog as breeding quality then the breeder should be obligated to replace him.

03-22-2008, 07:02 PM	#8
Pretty Penny YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: On a country road Posts: 1	He is much too young to breed even tho you have seen it. I know a close friend that bred her tiny male at nine months and ended up having a dead, deformed puppy and the vet said it was because the sperm had not yet matured. You should be able to get your money back and if yur friend is that attached to him, she should give you you half of the money back. it isn't fair for you to have to pay for a dog that you probably will not ever be able to use as a stud just so she can have a pet.

03-23-2008, 04:18 PM	#14
EmrldShdwQueen Slave to my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Clemmons, NC Posts: 3,737	That sounds a little fishy to me. Ryder is only 2 lbs and he had his testicles both dropped at 5 months. Now at almost 7 months he isn't completely sure yet about the purpose, but he goes around and smells all the females rears anytime he enters the room. Tucker already had his when I got him at 7 months...he's almost 9 months now. He tried his hardest to breed Lola through his belly band and her diaper when she was in heat. Now my sisters dog is in...he smells her but doesn't really try to breed. He's not completely sure what to do with himself yet and when to do what...but he has the instinct. By a year he should be more than ready, although he'll be at least 14 months before I let him breed. Ryder may take longer, just because of his size, but I'm not worried about a lack of interest. A male not being interested in a female at that age just seems strange to me... __________________ *Nicki and all her babies http://www.madalooyorkies.com* Last edited by EmrldShdwQueen; 03-23-2008 at 04:19 PM.