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jp4m2 · 03-11-2008, 06:43 AM

I've noticed a quite a few pregnancies seem to end up requiring a c-section and I wondered...... How many do you consider too many before the dam is spayed?....Once a c- section is done are all the following pregnancies c-sections?.....Do you consider this procedure to be hard on the dam to recover from?....I've tried to google this subject but was having no luck.....

Sugar's Mom · 03-11-2008, 07:01 AM

IF one of my girls has to have a section, she is spayed on the spot. I will not put them thru it again but I know there are breeders that do with good results.

jp4m2 · 03-11-2008, 07:09 AM

Hi Dee, yes I have seen people who do spay them on the first one, I'm not a breeder but I think if I was I would do that too then I see ones who say their dam went in for her c-section again....that seems like it would be hard on her considering how small her uterus is an all the scar tissue that forms. Thanks Dee....

bjh · 03-11-2008, 07:12 AM

In over ten years of breeding Yorkies I have had only 1 c-section and that female was 5 lbs and she had one large singleton puppy in her. She later had puppies naturally. Two me it would depend on the female and the circumstances behind the c-section. I think the majority of the c-sections are being caused by breeders breeding females that are too small (under 5 lbs). I only know of one breeder that had multiply c-sections on their dogs and their vet told them that after 3 c-sections they should be spayed because of all the scar tissue that builds up. For me, I would say two strikes your out. I do not breed females under 5 lbs and preferably I like them close to 7 lbs but that is just me.

jp4m2 · 03-11-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh

In over ten years of breeding Yorkies I have had only 1 c-section and that female was 5 lbs and she had one large singleton puppy in her. She later had puppies naturally. Two me it would depend on the female and the circumstances behind the c-section. I think the majority of the c-sections are being caused by breeders breeding females that are too small (under 5 lbs). I only know of one breeder that had multiply c-sections on their dogs and their vet told them that after 3 c-sections they should be spayed because of all the scar tissue that builds up. For me, I would say two strikes your out. I do not breed females under 5 lbs and preferably I like them close to 7 lbs but that is just me.

I hadn't thought about the breeders who are breeding the 3-4lbers until you said this....So is it more likely than not that the majority of the 3-4lbers are having multiple c-sections because of their size?....I hadn't thought of this until now that if a breeder is producing nothing but "tinies" that her females are probably being put though these c-sections.....

bjh · 03-11-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2

I hadn't thought about the breeders who are breeding the 3-4lbers until you said this....So is it more likely than not that the majority of the 3-4lbers are having multiple c-sections because of their size?....I hadn't thought of this until now that if a breeder is producing nothing but "tinies" that her females are probably being put though these c-sections.....

I really don't know how many people are getting multiple c-sections but I am sure some people do. I know many that will spay the female if she has just one c-section and that would be the best thing to do if the female is really small. I can't imagine putting a 3-4 lb female through having babies. I know there are many tinies that free whelp but to me is just not worth the risks involved in breeding the tinies. There are many things that can cause a female to require a c-section and size of the female is just one of them.

YorkieRose · 03-11-2008, 07:56 AM

More importantly, is the reason for the c-section. Sometimes it is a matter of bad luck..one large puppy, weak contractions, puppy stuck sideways in the canal..on and on...so I give a bitch two chances to free whelp...many will have a natural birth the second time..some have gone on to be an excellent brood bitch..others needed another section and were spayed.

AND..some times a novice breeders may panic and the vet goes along withteh decision..remember many vets feel a section is the best quickest and best solution when in dount....soem sections are not necessary..then teh second time the breeder have more knowledge.

gardenyorkies · 03-11-2008, 08:08 AM

I agree with Pat...It really depends on the mom and the reason for the section...We prefer to have a mom spayed at a later date if we can because the uterus is engorged with blood at this time and their is more blood loss to spay at the same time as the section...Of course, if mom has a damaged uterine horn from labor than we would opt for the spay...

We have had mom's that have had puppies with malpresentations that have required a section to go on and deliver with the next preg on their own...We have also had mom's that have had trouble with enertia/dystocia, need a section, the enertia/dystocia gets worse with the next preg, and then we have retired them...

I think you have to evaluate each mom , one pregnancy at a time, along with your vet...

~Laura

PrestigeousYT · 03-11-2008, 08:28 AM

Spaying at the time of the CSection is way to risky.
I would not do that due to the high risk of bleeding out.
I use to do that until I learned how risky this was to my girl and I would hate myself if I lost one due to spay at time of CSection.

I finally got brave and bred a girl after a CSection (skipped a heat)
and I was scared to death, she has had a couple of litters naturally after that and it was one big boy that caused the CSection.

Deana
Prestigeous

jp4m2 · 03-11-2008, 08:36 AM

I wasn't really sure what some of the answers would be but it was something I've thought about.....I just got to wondering how many was too many but as some of you have pointed out there are many variables.....

bjh · 03-11-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

We prefer to have a mom spayed at a later date if we can because the uterus is engorged with blood at this time and their is more blood loss to spay at the same time as the section...Of course, if mom has a damaged uterine horn from labor than we would opt for the spay...

~Laura

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Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT

Spaying at the time of the CSection is way to risky.
I would not do that due to the high risk of bleeding out.
I use to do that until I learned how risky this was to my girl and I would hate myself if I lost one due to spay at time of CSection.

Deana
Prestigeous

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Wrenee4 · 03-11-2008, 07:13 PM

We have actually spoken to our vet about this!! It really depends on each c-section and what goes on. If the uterus is in good shape and the female recovers then you can go 3-4 c-sections and they do not think it is harder on the female although it is HIGHLY advisable to skip a heat with a c-section (how you would not WANT to is beyond me - she would need time to heal!). IF there is a lot of scaring then it is the best interest to spay after the pups are weaned. So this could happen on your first c-section - it really depends all on the female and the reasons of the section. If you spay at the time of bith..there is more bleeding, a higher rate of no milk coming in and rejection of the puppies. Our old vet said they actually see people coming in every 6 months with the same dog to get c-sections for years. I feel SOOO bad for those poor girls!! I wouldn't even think they would be healed enough for it. SOO sad!

03-11-2008, 06:43 AM	#1
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,328	C- Section question.... I've noticed a quite a few pregnancies seem to end up requiring a c-section and I wondered...... How many do you consider too many before the dam is spayed?....Once a c- section is done are all the following pregnancies c-sections?.....Do you consider this procedure to be hard on the dam to recover from?....I've tried to google this subject but was having no luck..... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jack Jake J.J. ..R.I.P Joey, momma misses you!..... When life pushes you....push back ... If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me...

03-11-2008, 07:01 AM	#2
Sugar's Mom Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 7,477	IF one of my girls has to have a section, she is spayed on the spot. I will not put them thru it again but I know there are breeders that do with good results. __________________ Dee and all the Pretty Babies!!!!!!!! at deeslilyorkshireterriers

03-11-2008, 07:09 AM	#3
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,328	Hi Dee, yes I have seen people who do spay them on the first one, I'm not a breeder but I think if I was I would do that too then I see ones who say their dam went in for her c-section again....that seems like it would be hard on her considering how small her uterus is an all the scar tissue that forms. Thanks Dee.... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jack Jake J.J. ..R.I.P Joey, momma misses you!..... When life pushes you....push back ... If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me...

03-11-2008, 07:56 AM	#7
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	sections More importantly, is the reason for the c-section. Sometimes it is a matter of bad luck..one large puppy, weak contractions, puppy stuck sideways in the canal..on and on...so I give a bitch two chances to free whelp...many will have a natural birth the second time..some have gone on to be an excellent brood bitch..others needed another section and were spayed. AND..some times a novice breeders may panic and the vet goes along withteh decision..remember many vets feel a section is the best quickest and best solution when in dount....soem sections are not necessary..then teh second time the breeder have more knowledge. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

03-11-2008, 08:08 AM	#8
gardenyorkies Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 335	I agree with Pat...It really depends on the mom and the reason for the section...We prefer to have a mom spayed at a later date if we can because the uterus is engorged with blood at this time and their is more blood loss to spay at the same time as the section...Of course, if mom has a damaged uterine horn from labor than we would opt for the spay... We have had mom's that have had puppies with malpresentations that have required a section to go on and deliver with the next preg on their own...We have also had mom's that have had trouble with enertia/dystocia, need a section, the enertia/dystocia gets worse with the next preg, and then we have retired them... I think you have to evaluate each mom , one pregnancy at a time, along with your vet... ~Laura __________________ Laura n' The JaLa Yorkshire Terriers Visit www.PoochiePetite.com "Wrapping Jackets, Tablecovers N' Bows!"

03-11-2008, 07:12 AM	#4
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,709	In over ten years of breeding Yorkies I have had only 1 c-section and that female was 5 lbs and she had one large singleton puppy in her. She later had puppies naturally. Two me it would depend on the female and the circumstances behind the c-section. I think the majority of the c-sections are being caused by breeders breeding females that are too small (under 5 lbs). I only know of one breeder that had multiply c-sections on their dogs and their vet told them that after 3 c-sections they should be spayed because of all the scar tissue that builds up. For me, I would say two strikes your out. I do not breed females under 5 lbs and preferably I like them close to 7 lbs but that is just me.

03-11-2008, 08:28 AM	#9
PrestigeousYT YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WV Posts: 1,466	Spaying at the time of the CSection is way to risky. I would not do that due to the high risk of bleeding out. I use to do that until I learned how risky this was to my girl and I would hate myself if I lost one due to spay at time of CSection. I finally got brave and bred a girl after a CSection (skipped a heat) and I was scared to death, she has had a couple of litters naturally after that and it was one big boy that caused the CSection. Deana Prestigeous

03-11-2008, 08:36 AM	#10
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,328	I wasn't really sure what some of the answers would be but it was something I've thought about.....I just got to wondering how many was too many but as some of you have pointed out there are many variables..... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jack Jake J.J. ..R.I.P Joey, momma misses you!..... When life pushes you....push back ... If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me...

03-11-2008, 07:13 PM	#12
Wrenee4 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,409	We have actually spoken to our vet about this!! It really depends on each c-section and what goes on. If the uterus is in good shape and the female recovers then you can go 3-4 c-sections and they do not think it is harder on the female although it is HIGHLY advisable to skip a heat with a c-section (how you would not WANT to is beyond me - she would need time to heal!). IF there is a lot of scaring then it is the best interest to spay after the pups are weaned. So this could happen on your first c-section - it really depends all on the female and the reasons of the section. If you spay at the time of bith..there is more bleeding, a higher rate of no milk coming in and rejection of the puppies. Our old vet said they actually see people coming in every 6 months with the same dog to get c-sections for years. I feel SOOO bad for those poor girls!! I wouldn't even think they would be healed enough for it. SOO sad! __________________ ~Wendy~