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03-05-2008, 05:41 PM | #1 |
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| should I test before surgery? Hi all, So my baby Lila is 8 months old (I'm a new mom) and is scheduled to be spayed on 3/21. My vet suggests I do bile acid testing before the surgery. However, I can't afford the testing at this time. But I'm worried about the risks of anesthesia. Has anyone done the testing without pre-op lab work? Should I even risk it? Also, the operation is being done at a low-cost clinic in my area, what do you guys think of those clinics? They never mentioned preoperative testing other than a physical exam. Please help because I'm very scared. Lila's mom.
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03-05-2008, 05:46 PM | #2 |
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| LS (bile acid testing) isnt necessary to be done before her spay, I would do the blood panel though. best of luck
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03-05-2008, 05:47 PM | #3 | |
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03-05-2008, 06:22 PM | #4 |
YT 500 Club Member | Since our baby had kidney issues when she was a very young puppy (she fine now and age six) we ALWAYS get blood work done before she has anything done. Yes, it isn't cheap, but it may have saved her life when we had her spayed. We thought her kidney issues were over, but blood work told us differently. We did fluids for several weeks before she finally had the surgery.
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03-05-2008, 07:13 PM | #5 |
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| I really understand where you breeders are coming from when you say skip the BAT but the thing is YOU are GOOD breeders with healthy dogs. I wouldn't take a chance with a dog from a breeder who is just breeding for money and isn't doing testing.
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03-05-2008, 10:38 PM | #6 | |
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It sounds like your vet is really up to date on the recommended protocol for breeds at a high risk for liver shunts. Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined. Dr. Center recommends that all Yorkies get a bile acid test before even going to their new home. A BAT is very inexpensive, about $40-80 depending on where you live. I would definitely get it done before her spay. | |
03-06-2008, 01:43 AM | #7 |
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| I highly recommend both a full blood panel and a bile acid test before a yorkie is put under for the first time. Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined. From now on, I will never put one of my toy breed dogs under anesthesia for the first without having bloodwork done and a bile acid test. Even if your dog came from a very reputable breeder I still would rather be safe than sorry....liver shunt has been known to skip 10 generations so there's always a chance that it could pop up unexpectedly.
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03-06-2008, 07:32 AM | #8 |
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| come on girls what does a BAT test have to do with surgery? the OP asked if it was necessary before spaying ...answer is NO! pre-op blood panel is recommended to assure liver and kidney are functioning properly, if there are any irregularities they will show up in the panel.
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03-06-2008, 08:22 AM | #9 | |
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A high BAT would change anesthetic protocol and the pain meds that are given. Also, if it was high and a biopsy was necessary, it could be done at the same time.
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03-06-2008, 08:22 AM | #10 | |
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03-06-2008, 08:28 AM | #11 | |
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the abnormalties would show up in the blood panel...logic here, if there is irregularities then test further! She can always do a BAT for peace of mind later, as I said for a simple spay IT IS NOT NECESSARY
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03-06-2008, 08:36 AM | #12 | |
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If a blood panel showed irregularities it would be one thing, but it doesn't show liver function specifically which a BAT would. I guess this is something everyone has to decide for themselves but I'd hate to see a Yorkie with a normal blood panel be put under and end up reacting to the drugs used.
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03-06-2008, 10:22 AM | #13 |
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| I think it's necessary. I mean, yes, the dog will most likely do fine having no bloodwork or BAT at all...dogs are put under all the time without these and do fine. But if it were MY dog, I'd rather be safe than sorry..I'd hate for HER to be the one in whatever number that dies on the table because she has a problem that could have been detected in a blood panel or BAT. I guess if someone wants to take that chance...then no, it isn't necessary
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03-06-2008, 10:57 AM | #14 |
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| spay I have never done any pre-surgery testing on a young, non-symtomatic Yorkie before spaying/neutering. I have never had a problem crop up for not doing any tests. |
03-06-2008, 11:03 AM | #15 |
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