Great Responsibility Goes with the Written Word!

[luvmiyorkies]

The written word comes with great responsibility. If you feel the need to report, review or otherwise critique a breeder, groomer, vet, or just about anyone, this should be done with respect and with lots of discovery of FACTS before you proceed. Anytime you find a “watchdog” that feels the need to denounce any person, place, or thing based on a single variable, something can go very wrong. Otherwise good people can get caught up in the emotion of the event with hurtful if not violent results.



The written word, whether newspaper, internet, or a flyer on the bulletin board will enhance or degrade whosoever it is written about. Not only are their moral and ethical ramifications, but also very legal ones. You get into slander, liable, the list only gets much worse from here. It is very important to regard your words carefully, not be manipulated into joining the crowd throwing insults, accusations, and rude comments without knowing all the facts, yourself…not secondhand….not where the emotional tide is flowing….what YOU know.

Now to the point: This emotional tide has been running high over the past few weeks. Many have been the accused, until the next came alone. As I have been in that tide for the past few weeks, I will use myself and the consequences as an example. You may refer to : Review of breeders, groomers, or vets. For the Beware of Wayne and Janis Hendrick thread by Vicki Barber. There is also the What does a breeder do when she is slammed thread by myself. Hang on, it gets pretty ugly.

After all the very public accusations, denouncements of my husband and myself, personally, professionally, the worthiness of my breeding practices, and our reputation as breeders in general, I receive this PRIVATE email from Vicki:


I asked the administration of this website to delete all threads that pertained to you and this is the message I got back!

We do not delete threads unless they break YorkieTalk rules. Thank you.

-Admin

I never intended for things to turn out the way they did. It is done and we must move forward.

I just do not wanna see Bleus parents bred is all...

I am good with everything else and I hope I have made myself clear on that.

You and Wayne are good people and I have said that.



If i can do anything in regards to this site other than what I have already tried to do please let me know.

Again
I apologize
Vicki

I appreciate that Vicki is sorry, but the damage to myself and my family has been done. The comment of “it is done and we must move forward” is further insult as it implies all this was of no consequence, BUT there have been great consequences and consequences that are yet to come.

I would like to first say I am truly sorry about Bleu’s illness. I would have gladly taken on the problem without hesitation, but rallied behind Vicki that she choose to see him through it all. Vicki had 3 choices with Bleu (according to the doctor at Texas A&M)
1. Do nothing and MAYBE she would have come home one day and he would be dead.
2. Proceed with the non-invasive casting (which is getting very good reviews) and see if the bone will bond causing a lasting fix such as you would do with a break of the bone.
3. Proceed with the elective surgery to pin and bone cement the bone in place (and cast) BUT the pup could die on the table. I am not sure I would not have opted the non-invasive procedure first, but this was Vicki’s monumental decision. The fact that this pup was in all other ways a good, strong healthy pup helped him be the success he is today. I think all the prayers from all of us played a part in that miracle.

Unfortunately, breeders have to make tough decisions all the time. It is not easier, just part of the responsibility. Also part of a breeders responsibility is to make sure the sires and dams bred are of the healthiest possible, with no recessive genes. I wish that were an easier job.

Even the most prestigious kennels have to deal with recessive genes and the occasional congenital issue. Before you breed, you do the blood work ,x-rays, urinalysis, anything you can think of to see what might be a potential problem, but the bottom line is you never know for sure until you breed a particular sire with a particular dam. If you get good, healthy puppies, good coats, compact body and sweet personalities you did good. If you get a recessive issue, you move that dam to another sire and the issue may not be there. If it is a very serious issue, you remove either that sire or dam or both from your breeding group, as I have done in this case.

Let me give an example: A man and a woman from very healthy families marry and have a child. This child becomes ill and it is discovered the child has Sickle Cell Anemia and lives a short life filled with pain and anguish. The parents are heartbroken and are THEN tested to find that they both carry the recessive Sickle Cell Anemia gene. The fact that they both carry the gene made their chances of having a child with full blown Sickle Cell Anemia 1 out of 4,and passing that recessive gene to a child or children 2 out of 4, even though there was no known Sickle Cell in either families as far back as anyone can remember.

If that same man and woman married other people who did not carry the Sickle Cell recessive gene, then the likelihood of having a Sickle Cell Anemia child is almost nil, and 1 out of 100 that the gene would be passed on. Tests for this horrible genetic disorder exists, but the hospital is full of children suffering from this disease.

We have much to learn, and in the animal world it is even more remote. There are facts being discovered all the time, but not nearly fast enough to make any kind of claim that I or any other breeder (no matter how prestigious) will never have a congenital disorder again. Usually God takes these pups early, but sometimes, as in Bleu’s case, nothing showed up until he was 10 months old. It was not bad breeding practices, or negligence, or any of the ugly allegations that have been posted, but merely an unknown.

You and I have the right to have opinions, ideologies, and beliefs that differ, but we are also guaranteed the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That liberty, however, stops when it begins to trample on the liberty of others. It is protected by constitution and law.

The worse of it all, there was a poor lady that lost her baby…came looking for help, but everyone was so busy slinging mud, they forgot to watch out for each other. Now she is broken hearted and all you have for her is” RIP…hug…hug“ . Yorkie people I know are like family, sometimes we get upset with each other, but we are always there when you need us.

[sweetsophia]

[MyPeanutAbbyGra]

Originally Posted by luvmiyorkies

The worse of it all, there was a poor lady that lost her baby…came looking for help, but everyone was so busy slinging mud, they forgot to watch out for each other. Now she is broken hearted and all you have for her is” RIP…hug…hug“ . Yorkie people I know are like family, sometimes we get upset with each other, but we are always there when you need us.

That is such a shame

I'm not sure what to say here. I'm new to this forum and don't want to cause waves. I'm sorry for everyone concerned.

It is true that we MUST think before we type or say anything. We should always remember that there are real people behind the screens.

I have been saddened, shocked, touched..the entire realm of emotions to some of what I've seen posted here.
There's a great wealth of information to be had on this site and some folks go out of their way to be helpful and friendly. I for one am greatly appreciative of those people!

To be honest, I would be afraid to talk about anything controvesial here. Some members seem very eager to jump on new members and chastise them, instead of just offering helpful advise. The biggest problem with that, other than the obvious hurt feelings, is that those people go away and don't get the help they need.

I have MS and have been a member of several different MS forums. I've learned far more from other people with MS, than I ever have from my neurologist. Sad but true.

I'm sure the same can be said of Yorkie owners and vets.

I'll hush up now before I say something to tick someone off.

Again, I'm very sorry for all concerned.

[Lara]

I was reading the pages posted here and thought I would share this again!
It will not fix what has been done, but I think it might allow you to see through the hurt a little better.

People come into your life for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person.

When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are.
They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end.

Sometimes they pass on. Sometimes they walk away. Sometimes they act up and force you to take a stand. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done.

The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on. Some people come into your life for a SEASON, because your turn has come to share, grow or learn. They bring you an experience of peace or make you laugh. They may teach you something you have never done.

They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it, it is real. But only for a season.

LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons, things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life.

It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant. Thank you for being a part of my life, whether you are a reason, a season or a lifetime.

[patty58]

I am so sorry for all involved in this situation.

[Jody Renfroe]

Originally Posted by patty58

I am so sorry for all involved in this situation.

Me too.

[luvmiyorkies]

Thank you for your input. The hurt and misrepresentations that have been done only hurts our ability to do what we sat out to do- make life as perfect as we can for our yorkies.

I hope this thread can be used as real breeder talk, with each of us having the ability to ask opioions, suggestion of others who have had experience with or know of solutions to those unexpected problems that occur in day to day care of our precious yorkies

Yorkies are a wonderful breed and diserve the very best we can give them. To be afaid to ask for fear of the "attacks" looses the whole aim I think the YT site was developed for. We all are in learning situations, and if you think you have seen it all,wait and something will hit. This is our forum to discuss, tell of triumphs and failures, so others may not have to have the same hurts we did, and our beautiful yorkies will be the best for it.

[Sugar's Mom]

here's my two cents. Vicki should simply have posted a review of HER dealings with you in the "Breeder's Forum" where it belongs. She should not have made threads all over the place NOR should you have gotten yourself dragged in any more by trying to defend yourself. The breeders REVIEW forum is just that. A place to tell our experiences with certain breeders and if we would recommend them or not. It is not the place for anyone else to say anything unless they have had PERSONAL dealings with the breeder being review. Not gossip or what anyone else thinks but your OWN experiences. That is per YT rules. This is just an unfortunate situation for everyone involved. BUT, it went way longer than what it should have gone. I am also a breeder but I am not taking any sides here. i just feel Vivki should have reviewed you and stopped. But she has offered you an apology. I can also undersatand why you are upset and felt the need to defend yourself. Poor little sick dog.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

here's my two cents. Vicki should simply have posted a review of HER dealings with you in the "Breeder's Forum" where it belongs. She should not have made threads all over the place NOR should you have gotten yourself dragged in any more by trying to defend yourself. The breeders REVIEW forum is just that. A place to tell our experiences with certain breeders and if we would recommend them or not. It is not the place for anyone else to say anything unless they have had PERSONAL dealings with the breeder being review. Not gossip or what anyone else thinks but your OWN experiences. That is per YT rules. This is just an unfortunate situation for everyone involved. BUT, it went way longer than what it should have gone. I am also a breeder but I am not taking any sides here. i just feel Vivki should have reviewed you and stopped. But she has offered you an apology. I can also undersatand why you are upset and felt the need to defend yourself. Poor little sick dog.

Dee I agree with you but this breeder has now started two threads in the breeder section and one in breeder review also. It just seems this matter should be more private and not how they are now after Vicki.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by chachi

Dee I agree with you but this breeder has now started two threads in the breeder section and one in breeder review also. It just seems this matter should be more private and not how they are now after Vicki.

I don't feel like it is right to post a private e-mail on a public forum. I do agree that perhaps people should be more careful before they write things..I've been thinking about this more over the past few days.

I'm not sure I understand the "vicki should have reviewed the breeder and left it alone" because that's really all she did. She did post a thread asking opinions on if she should reveal who her breeder and another thread about the check she was given and how long it would take to clear, but other than that she only did review the breeder. The rest of her threads have been about Bleu...not at all about his breeder. She posted about him and his condition. So I don't know where the idea came from that she's posted so many threads about the breeder because she hasn't. She did post a review. She didn't even say much...she said "This is Bleu's breeder" and gave the name, kennel, location, etc. And she stated his congenital defect. She did reply to some comments made and agreed on a few things, but she certainly NEVER bashed this breeder at all. I see that she only stated her personal experience and agreed with a few people's opinions. She only went into details on her experience with this breeder when the breeder posted details.

I know Vicki and have heard of her experience with Bleu several times. She has never bashed this breeder to me either. I truly think it's important for people to tell of their experiences with breeders (both bad and good) so that other buyers can make an informed decision.

I also think that a lot of responsibility lies in breeding. I truly believe that breeders have a responsibility to breed healthy dogs to the best of their ability and to produce quality dogs that meet the standard. Breeders have a LOT of responsibility. If a breeder isn't breeding healthy, "show quality" dogs then they are not being responsible. (and by "show quality" I don't necessarily mean you have to show...but your dogs should be of show quality).

I really wish that people wouldn't automatically get defensive when they are told something they don't want to hear. Sometimes people need to take a step back and realize that some things being said are true..even if they don't like it or its not convenient for them.

[BamaFan121s]

Didn't this SAME thread just get locked? I realize you both feel the need to clear your name as there have been some harsh comments made in both directions, but IMO, this is something you two should work out privately, not here on YT.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Didn't this SAME thread just get locked? I realize you both feel the need to clear your name as there have been some harsh comments made in both directions, but IMO, this is something you two should work out privately, not here on YT.

this is exactly what I was trying to say. It needs to stop on both sides.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Didn't this SAME thread just get locked? I realize you both feel the need to clear your name as there have been some harsh comments made in both directions, but IMO, this is something you two should work out privately, not here on YT.

I think one thread was posted in the breeding forum and one in the review forum (which got moved to the breeding forum) so one got locked because there are now two of the same threads in this forum. Also, I only see one side continueing to make comments about this situation

[patty58]

I think everybody has now seen both sides. I'm sure there is still more we don't know and don't need to. Can't we just let it drop.

[Jody Renfroe]

Remember the line from "Mars Attacks", Jack Nicholsan says "Can't we all just....get along?" I think it's right before a Martian zaps him.