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02-25-2008, 07:41 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas
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| How does a breeder handle slamming? I have been breeding for 20+ years and have lost one puppy in shipping (due to airline delay, which I replaced immediately), and now have my first pup that had Occipital atlanto axial subluxation which has been branded congenital and stated in the forum that my whole line is from this bloodline. If the person making the acusation did not know, I might be more understanding, but she did. This condition, according to what I have read can been caused from a congential problem or from an injury. Not only did she do heavy "training", she took this pup to two different vets which one "adjusted" the pup's neck. He is two pounds, those little bones do not handle much adjusting or they will pop out of place. She ended up at Tex. A&M, we talked all the time, I found and sent her articles, got my vet to send all info we had,sat up with her late at night while she tried to deside what to do. I offered to exchange the pup and continue the treatment myself, which she would not hear of. I was not surprised, you get really attached to these little ones. Now she makes it sould like my yorkies are such horrible things, people saying they look sick,etc....it could not be futher from the truth. This was the first litter (test litter) of an unkown dam I had purchased and one of my sires. The person making the accusation chose the smallest pup in a large litter, had to have it, even though I did not want to sell him and when I did sell him it was as a pet quality, even though he is beautiful. I gave her a huge break in price, because the most important thing to me is finding a good home for my babies, and I have known her since she was in high school with my son. I even gave her half of her purchase price back when she was doing the surgery, without grudge. I have a contract that says I am not liable, but these are my babies. I have always tried to think of what was best for the pup and the new parent. I know you cannot make money in yorkies, but they are my life, I just try to breed (every 2 seasons) my dams to provide enough to pay for the necessities to care for them. It is the core of my happiness. You can have wonderful experiences with new litters (even the 2 am sessions at the vet doing a c-section). We take our dams in for checks during pregnancy, get the x-ray one week prior to delivery, and have special cameras on her and all the pups in the nursery, when I am not physically with her. If a pup is born or shows signs of any problems I am right to the vet. I rarely sell pups that have shown any problems in those early days....all this said, yorkies all came from the same gene pool and have similar potential issues- hypoglycemia, liver shunts (God forbid), etc. There are traits that we do not want , but do occassionally occur,either from predisposition, injury, or over taxing a puppy. Once we find something undesirable, we remove that dam or sire from the breeding program. We do our best to educate the new adoptive parent on what to watch for, keep up with each puppy placed, and keep close and accurate records. I do not mean to whine, but I am just so hurt. I did not think that someone would make such a posting--a warning...I guess my whole life has been my yorkies for so many years now, going through the AKC inspections, which I received 28 out of 28; the keeping of distinct bloodlines, no inbreeding, getting good healthy, happy puppies, It just breaks my heart. What does one do if you have been slammed? If your kennel, (mine is a two story, ac/heated, and free standing, has its own water, washer dryer/etc.)has been flagged as needing a warning to prospective buyers to not come, not to mention buy. And they do read and have responded... We have put a lot of money and time on our babies, without grudge, without regret, until now. What do you do? Janis Hendrick Hendrick House Kennel |
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02-25-2008, 07:47 PM | #2 |
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| There are ALWAYS two sides to the story, and both parties can have a way of twisting things in their favor (NOT saying you're doing that...but it just happens naturally). I think nobody will ever really know except you and this person. Have you tried talking with her about these posts? I guess there will always be people who don't like you, but I can understand how you must feel, especially if it wasn't your fault. |
02-25-2008, 07:58 PM | #3 |
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| Omg I am not sure if I saw a thread about this or not... I never remember like some on here... this is quite the story I must say... |
02-25-2008, 08:04 PM | #4 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas
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| Two sides of a story? Thank you for your optimism, but I have talked to Vicki, many times. Never once did she ever give me any indication that she had any reservations about my yorkies. In fact, she always said she never saw any better....it has really taken me by surprise. The worse part is that my daughter in law is the one who sent me the info, I usually do not have time to sit at the computer, I would much rather be with the yorkies. They are wonderful, if I can figure out how to post pictures you can see my babies. They are beautiful, healthy and wonderful. Janis |
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__________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. Last edited by MyFairLacy; 02-25-2008 at 09:26 PM. | |||||||
02-25-2008, 09:35 PM | #7 |
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| I would like to know what red flags you see on this ladies site? This is just me being curious, I haven't looked at her site yet. |
02-25-2008, 09:45 PM | #8 |
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| Breeder Slammed Would you tell if slam was on YT, or where it was posted? Maybe we can understand all sides to be supportive of your side. |
02-25-2008, 09:46 PM | #9 |
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| Many of us have yorkies with genetic problems due to bad breeding. That is so true! And the poor innocent yorkie suffers life long! So unfair, now I am getting angry.
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02-25-2008, 09:50 PM | #10 | |
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Sells "Teacups". Even says "Breeders of Tiny Yorkies" at top of home page Kennel Situation (not automatically a red flag, but I prefer home-raised) Dams are 3-6lbs (5-7lbs is preferred..no smaller than 4.5lbs should be bred) Sires are 2-4lbs (all tiny) 12 dams on site (not automatically a red flag but that's a LOT of females IMO) Dogs do not meet the standard..clearly not of quality for breeding Most dams do not look well-groomed 6 sires on site (not automatically a red flag but that's a LOT of studs IMO) Puppies from 6 different litters for sale at once Selling a "rare chocolate" (not even a chocolate...looks like a blue born) Puppies look poorly bred Selling "breeding stock" males Sells on full registration w/ no questions asked Can paypal a deposit straight from the website 1 year guarantee for only "life-threatening" defects. Requires puppy be returned or will only give a partial refund
__________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue. | |
02-25-2008, 09:52 PM | #11 |
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| I have not really read too much into all of this with Bleu..so I dont really have alot to add..I dont agree with breeding tinies or selling odd coloured puppies as "rare" and jacking up the prices on them. On the other hand I would think it is possible that adjusting the neck on a tiny puppy could be very dangerous but again I am not a doctor nor do I claim to know the in's and out's..I just dont even agree with humans having their necks adjusted..Ive heard too many horror stories..so I just cant imagine it with a tiny puppy. I can tell the OP does have sincere love for her puppies although she does need to realize that breeding these tiny puppies is just wrong and it isnt doing anything for the breed. I feel bad for all involved here..I really sense the OP is sincere..and sincerly didnt mean to hurt anyone..but that is just a feeling I get. She isnt being nasty or rude..maybe just ignorant about breeding?? I dont know the right words..I also dont know about breeding..is it typical for a breeder to pay for surgery when they offered to take the puppy back or replace it? If it were a different condition say liver shunt..would the breeder be responsible for paying for that?? I am soooooooooo not trying to argue anyone..I am quite ignorant myself to the breeding world...I guess its just my gut feeling that the OP loves her dogs..what is the solution now? Is she to pay the total costs for the surgery..or the total cost for Bleu? I would think a full refund would be in order in any case for sure..man its such a sad situation all around.. Dawn |
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02-25-2008, 10:07 PM | #15 | |
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