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love_me_cody · 01-28-2008, 09:07 PM

I was wondering why there is a double standard for yorkies and shih tzus...

I mean everyone refers http://debbiejensen.com but then she is breeding imperials. Isn't it like listening to a person that breeds teacup yorkies? Just a different breed but the concept is the same.

I know she gives good information but if someone said they breed teacup yorkies and have good information you will still stay away from the site.

I know, Dumb question. But I would like to know why it's ok with another breed but not Yorkies.

(I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get more information and their opinions on the situation)

addicted · 01-28-2008, 09:14 PM

Yeah, I wonder about that too.

lreed · 01-28-2008, 09:28 PM

The information that Debbie is giving is just basic information for breeding, birthing, etc. It applies to all kinds of breeds....except maybe English Bulldogs who just about have to have a cesaren section everytime because of the puppies large heads. When reading, if it bothers you, just insert Yorkie or Yorkshire terrier instead of Imperial Shih Tzuhs and the information will then apply to your breed.

love_me_cody · 01-28-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lreed

The information that Debbie is giving is just basic information for breeding, birthing, etc. It applies to all kinds of breeds....except maybe English Bulldogs who just about have to have a cesaren section everytime because of the puppies large heads. When reading, if it bothers you, just insert Yorkie or Yorkshire terrier instead of Imperial Shih Tzuhs and the information will then apply to your breed.

I know, But wouldn't it be like sustituting teacup yorkie were imperial shih tzu is at.. Same concept.... If it doesn't really bother someone, than teacups shouldn't bother that person too because it's the same thing

EmrldShdwQueen · 01-28-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by love_me_cody

I know, But wouldn't it be like sustituting teacup yorkie were imperial shih tzu is at.. Same concept.... If it doesn't really bother someone, than teacups shouldn't bother that person too because it's the same thing

Honestly I've never thought about that...I really don't pay attention to her as a breeder, but she DOES have excellent information. If someone had a "teacup" yorkie site and had that much info I'd still look at it...

sweetr72 · 01-29-2008, 12:41 AM

Ive never read her site before...but the word Imperial turns my stomach as much as teacup does...ick...I certainly wouldnt buy a dog from a breeder that calls them "imperial"...two huge thumbs down on that one!!!

Dawn

Quote:

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

I was wondering why there is a double standard for yorkies and shih tzus...

I mean everyone refers http://debbiejensen.com but then she is breeding imperials. Isn't it like listening to a person that breeds teacup yorkies? Just a different breed but the concept is the same.

I know she gives good information but if someone said they breed teacup yorkies and have good information you will still stay away from the site.

I know, Dumb question. But I would like to know why it's ok with another breed but not Yorkies.

(I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get more information and their opinions on the situation)

sweetr72 · 01-29-2008, 12:49 AM

This quote also threw me for a loop..

Chinese Imperial and many Shih Tzu breeders feel the origional smaller version is the highly prized dog Many people refer to them as Tea Cup but that is not a correct term for a Shih Tzu. This term teacup is a poodle or yorkie term.

And so did this one..

We breeders of Imperial Shih tzu specialize in breeding the smaller sized dog which are often called the Chinese Imperial, Imperial Shih Tzu and incorrectly termed as a Toy Shih Tzu, Miniature Shih Tzu, Teacup Shih Tzu, or Pocket Puppies.
No matter how you butter it up to sound good...it DOSENT...

iloveYorkiesFL · 01-29-2008, 09:36 AM

A teacup is a teacup is a teacup... call it whatever you like...the idea is the same

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Originally Posted by sweetr72

This quote also threw me for a loop..

Chinese Imperial and many Shih Tzu breeders feel the origional smaller version is the highly prized dog Many people refer to them as Tea Cup but that is not a correct term for a Shih Tzu. This term teacup is a poodle or yorkie term.

And so did this one..

We breeders of Imperial Shih tzu specialize in breeding the smaller sized dog which are often called the Chinese Imperial, Imperial Shih Tzu and incorrectly termed as a Toy Shih Tzu, Miniature Shih Tzu, Teacup Shih Tzu, or Pocket Puppies.
No matter how you butter it up to sound good...it DOSENT...

sweetr72 · 01-29-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by iloveYorkiesFL

A teacup is a teacup is a teacup... call it whatever you like...the idea is the same

Yeppers...

Susan123 · 01-29-2008, 10:21 AM

Good Question OP, Unless they're a different AKC category in the breed, you're right about the teacup and imperial term. Though I don't know the breed, or have a clue about them.

Brooklynn · 01-29-2008, 10:35 AM

I only know about the yorkie breed because that is what I show and breed and if I did the other breed if the word is referenced like teacup in the yorkie breed it shouldn't be done in s**tz zu's either plain and simple!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

sweetr72 · 01-29-2008, 10:55 AM

Yes Imperial in the shih tzu world is JUST like using teacup in the yorkie world..a huge selling ploy..they breed them down and "say" that it will soon be recognized by the AKA..but they are not acceptable at this point..I did alot of research on the shih tzu breed in the past and this was always a big no no for reputable breeders..and I was warned to stay away from "imperial" shih tzu breeders..

Brooklynn · 01-29-2008, 11:01 AM

Then I would say stay away from "imperial" breeders plain and simple!

Donna
Brooklynn

addicted · 01-29-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetr72

Yes Imperial in the shih tzu world is JUST like using teacup in the yorkie world..a huge selling ploy..they breed them down and "say" that it will soon be recognized by the AKA..but they are not acceptable at this point..I did alot of research on the shih tzu breed in the past and this was always a big no no for reputable breeders..and I was warned to stay away from "imperial" shih tzu breeders..

Haha, you too Dawn? I was always aware of this term for the Shihtzu breed. At the time, I was looking for a Shih tzu and I knew Imperials were just as bad as teacups.

love_me_cody · 01-30-2008, 01:59 PM

LOL... I'm surprise I got little (but great!) feedback on this... So many 'respected' breeders refer the site but no one wants to explain their reason about why they refer a site that was based on creating tinies.... I hope it is referred less now.

01-28-2008, 09:07 PM	#1
love_me_cody YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,715 Blog Entries: 2	Question about debbiejensen.com I was wondering why there is a double standard for yorkies and shih tzus... I mean everyone refers http://debbiejensen.com but then she is breeding imperials. Isn't it like listening to a person that breeds teacup yorkies? Just a different breed but the concept is the same. I know she gives good information but if someone said they breed teacup yorkies and have good information you will still stay away from the site. I know, Dumb question. But I would like to know why it's ok with another breed but not Yorkies. (I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to get more information and their opinions on the situation)

01-28-2008, 09:14 PM	#2
addicted HAPPY 2008!!! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SGV, CA Posts: 1,299	Yeah, I wonder about that too. __________________ Linda Penny Simba Bella Chance joined CRAZY CLUB & NUDIST CLUB

01-29-2008, 12:49 AM	#7
sweetr72 REECE & SOLEIL Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,110	This quote also threw me for a loop.. Chinese Imperial and many Shih Tzu breeders feel the origional smaller version is the highly prized dog Many people refer to them as Tea Cup but that is not a correct term for a Shih Tzu. This term teacup is a poodle or yorkie term. And so did this one.. We breeders of Imperial Shih tzu specialize in breeding the smaller sized dog which are often called the Chinese Imperial, Imperial Shih Tzu and incorrectly termed as a Toy Shih Tzu, Miniature Shih Tzu, Teacup Shih Tzu, or Pocket Puppies. No matter how you butter it up to sound good...it DOSENT... __________________ Reece ~ Soleil ~ Pixie

01-29-2008, 10:55 AM	#12
sweetr72 REECE & SOLEIL Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,110	Yes Imperial in the shih tzu world is JUST like using teacup in the yorkie world..a huge selling ploy..they breed them down and "say" that it will soon be recognized by the AKA..but they are not acceptable at this point..I did alot of research on the shih tzu breed in the past and this was always a big no no for reputable breeders..and I was warned to stay away from "imperial" shih tzu breeders.. __________________ Reece ~ Soleil ~ Pixie

01-28-2008, 09:28 PM	#3
lreed YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 299	The information that Debbie is giving is just basic information for breeding, birthing, etc. It applies to all kinds of breeds....except maybe English Bulldogs who just about have to have a cesaren section everytime because of the puppies large heads. When reading, if it bothers you, just insert Yorkie or Yorkshire terrier instead of Imperial Shih Tzuhs and the information will then apply to your breed.

01-29-2008, 10:21 AM	#10
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,385	Good Question OP, Unless they're a different AKC category in the breed, you're right about the teacup and imperial term. Though I don't know the breed, or have a clue about them.

01-29-2008, 10:35 AM	#11
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,537	I only know about the yorkie breed because that is what I show and breed and if I did the other breed if the word is referenced like teacup in the yorkie breed it shouldn't be done in s**tz zu's either plain and simple! Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

01-29-2008, 11:01 AM	#13
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,537	Then I would say stay away from "imperial" breeders plain and simple! Donna Brooklynn

01-30-2008, 01:59 PM	#15
love_me_cody YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,715 Blog Entries: 2	LOL... I'm surprise I got little (but great!) feedback on this... So many 'respected' breeders refer the site but no one wants to explain their reason about why they refer a site that was based on creating tinies.... I hope it is referred less now.