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Susan123 · 01-30-2008, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Freyja

I'm not so against removing declaws because I'm scared that they may get caught on something which can damage the declaw. But I'm against docking tails.

Allrighty then. I was addressing the original question about showing with a docked tail. No offense but, it really doesn't matter to me what anybody believes. Everybody has an opionion.

diva pup · 01-30-2008, 04:46 AM

[quote=Freyja;1713801]I don't appreciate the fact that you are implying that I have not done my research because I have it seems to me that you are the one that needs to do research on the matter of docking. Here is some light reading for you:

Well thank you for the reading material but I was not implying anything towards you

others had answered with their opinions too so it was a generalization. There was certainly no need to be rude, as I stated it was just my opinion, did you think yours was the only one that counted?

txshopper73 · 01-30-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Freyja

I don't appreciate the fact that you are implying that I have not done my research because I have it seems to me that you are the one that needs to do research on the matter of docking. Here is some light reading for you:

I don't think Diva implied that you're uneducated in the docking aspect. I did not get that at all with her reply. Don't jump the gun so quick.

diva pup · 01-30-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Susan123

Allrighty then. I was addressing the original question about showing with a docked tail. No offense but, it really doesn't matter to me what anybody believes. Everybody has an opionion.

I was told they can be shown but it is up to the judges discretion whether they dump you or not..

Yorkiekids · 01-30-2008, 06:53 AM

Unfortunately you can't show a Yorkie here with a tail.

Brooklynn · 01-30-2008, 07:18 AM

You can show a yorkie here with a tail but don't be surprised if you don't win or your excused from the ring

It's not a disqualification it's a fault just like a bad bite, bad top line, ect...
Our standard only has a DQ for color.
I prefer a docked tail as long as it's done at a very young age not waiting until they are older and if the standard calls for a docked tail then I'm good with it but if the standard were to change for an undocked tail I could live with that also

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

diva pup · 01-30-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bbrewser

What kind of damage do you get from not docking?

I'm interested because I prefer the tail, am I wrong???

Of course you aren't wrong, it is your preference just as mine is for docked

They say there are alot more tail accidents in the undocked tails is all. Or I guess I should say SOME say. I did read an interesting article on tails if you would like to read it. Here it is...

http://www.yorkyclub.com/EN/Ycm05_Tails.asp

bjh · 01-30-2008, 07:55 AM

I have noticed there is a lot of variation in tail lengths on docked tails. One Yorkie I bought about 8 years ago had hardly any tail and I did not like that at all. When I first started docking tails I was told to cut where the brown meets the black on the underside of the tail. That was o.k. for a pet Yorkie but a little to short for show. Now I am docking the tails a little longer and when I sell a pup some people think it is not docked because they are use to seeing really short tails on Yorkies. I just explain to them that for show the tail needs to be a little long. I know some vets dock them way to short. I just think that because of the Yorkies long coat it just looks neater being docked.

bbrewser · 01-30-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by diva pup

Of course you aren't wrong, it is your preference just as mine is for docked

They say there are alot more tail accidents in the undocked tails is all. Or I guess I should say SOME say. I did read an interesting article on tails if you would like to read it. Here it is...

http://www.yorkyclub.com/EN/Ycm05_Tails.asp

Thanks!

This link and the ones jencar98 posted were very interesting. You learn something new everyday!!!!!!!!

MyFairLacy · 01-30-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh

I have noticed there is a lot of variation in tail lengths on docked tails. One Yorkie I bought about 8 years ago had hardly any tail and I did not like that at all. When I first started docking tails I was told to cut where the brown meets the black on the underside of the tail. That was o.k. for a pet Yorkie but a little to short for show. Now I am docking the tails a little longer and when I sell a pup some people think it is not docked because they are use to seeing really short tails on Yorkies. I just explain to them that for show the tail needs to be a little long. I know some vets dock them way to short. I just think that because of the Yorkies long coat it just looks neater being docked.

I think Lacy has a correctly docked medium-length tail, but when I got her I thought it was docked too long. My parent's yorkie basically has no tail left and I knew that was too short. I now know that Lacy's tail is probably the correct length....I agree that most vets and breeders seem to dock the tails too short. I just hate when they cut the whole tail off

Brookef18 · 01-30-2008, 10:56 AM

Her breeder doesn't dock the tails any more. Sadie's brother is going to be a show dog with his tail. My breeder knows some judges won't like it but she is going to show him any way. These pups come from good blood lines I'm told and the brother seems to be show quality.
Chewy's tail is docked and it's about an inch or so... with hair falling down over it, it looks like a fountain!!!

I love them both... The docked tail can be very cute, Saidie's tail is also very cute... she wages it all the time.

Freyja · 03-28-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I for one hope docking NEVER becomes illegal in the US. I very much prefer a docked tail on a yorkie. I'm not really a fan of ear cropping as it is done when the puppies are older, and I don't like tails being docked on older puppies/dogs either (more of an amputation at that point), but I have no issues with docking a tail on a newborn puppy. I think that if the US ever tries to make docking illegal, there will be quite a fight against it

The UKC is allowing undocked tails now. However my personal opinion is that the ACK wont be allowing undocked tails anytime soon I might be wrong but thats what I think.

Freyja · 03-28-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bbrewser

What kind of damage do you get from not docking?

I'm interested because I prefer the tail, am I wrong???

If you wish you can read my reply to diva pup which is post #12. Where you can read why people think docking should be done. I don't believe you are wrong by they way your avatar is adorable.

Freyja · 03-28-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

Just as the OP has posted information against the practice of tail docking, there are numerous articles and references regarding the need for tail docking. Below are links to several of the many articles I found with a quick search. The last link seems to be the most unbiased article, giving reasoning for each position.

Although, I do have friends with yorkies not docked and they are beautiful yorkies with their tails, my preference, given a choice, is for docking.

http://netpets.org/dogs/healthspa/case4dock.html

http://www.britfeld.com/tail-dock/facts.htm

http://www.professorshouse.com/pets/...l-docking.aspx

The only reason I posted information was because of diva pup's post. Your second and third link I found very informative and I respect your preference for docking. Your Reno is a handsome one by the way.

PrestigeousYT · 03-28-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Freyja

I wish they would too yorkiegirl2. Is there nothing that can be done to stop docking? I mean can't there be a petition to stop docking? I know that some people might think that the dogs look better or prettier with docked tails or their ears cut but its not fair that we do that to a living creature just because we want them to look a certain way. Its cruel and I know that its done when they are just a few days old so there wont be any complications but still its painful for them.

I don't understand why you would want a petition to stop tail docking that would be like the people who want theirs docked telling you that you cannot have them undocked.
It doesn't bother me that some people like the long tails, I have had a few with long tails. What does bother me is someone wanting to make their opinions of undocked tails be the law and make that choice for me.
We show and we do dock our tails for show and I have not yet had one Yorkie that had problems from being a dog with a docked tail.
We are lucky that we have choices and the more choices we try to take away from each other the more miserable we will become.
Thats just the way I feel about it.

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

01-30-2008, 04:46 AM	#17
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	[quote=Freyja;1713801]I don't appreciate the fact that you are implying that I have not done my research because I have it seems to me that you are the one that needs to do research on the matter of docking. Here is some light reading for you: Well thank you for the reading material but I was not implying anything towards you others had answered with their opinions too so it was a generalization. There was certainly no need to be rude, as I stated it was just my opinion, did you think yours was the only one that counted? Last edited by diva pup; 01-30-2008 at 04:48 AM.

01-30-2008, 06:53 AM	#20
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 12,432	Unfortunately you can't show a Yorkie here with a tail. __________________ Susan, Piper & Sebastion

01-30-2008, 07:18 AM	#21
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,537	You can show a yorkie here with a tail but don't be surprised if you don't win or your excused from the ring It's not a disqualification it's a fault just like a bad bite, bad top line, ect... Our standard only has a DQ for color. I prefer a docked tail as long as it's done at a very young age not waiting until they are older and if the standard calls for a docked tail then I'm good with it but if the standard were to change for an undocked tail I could live with that also Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

01-30-2008, 07:55 AM	#23
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,709	I have noticed there is a lot of variation in tail lengths on docked tails. One Yorkie I bought about 8 years ago had hardly any tail and I did not like that at all. When I first started docking tails I was told to cut where the brown meets the black on the underside of the tail. That was o.k. for a pet Yorkie but a little to short for show. Now I am docking the tails a little longer and when I sell a pup some people think it is not docked because they are use to seeing really short tails on Yorkies. I just explain to them that for show the tail needs to be a little long. I know some vets dock them way to short. I just think that because of the Yorkies long coat it just looks neater being docked.