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gypsyqueen · 01-21-2008, 09:36 PM

I have a yorkie a maltese a sharpei all spayed Ive never bought a dog on limited registration and never will even though I spay my pets. Question people are changing from akc to other forms of registration saying reg. under akc is to costly I dont think so Im wondering if they buy a akc under limited reg. can they get papers under another club aka ,aca ,ckc cost of reg cannot be the only reason a breeder would change over if this is so maybe breeders have to spay first.

kosoma · 01-22-2008, 05:21 AM

I'm not sure that I really understand your question....ACA is the only other registry I am familiar with. The registration for ACA is less expensive, and they do accept AKC registered dogs. Being limited has no bearing on whether or not they will accept them.

fannie · 01-22-2008, 06:00 AM

I'm just curious... why would you not buy a dog with limited registration?

bjh · 01-22-2008, 07:09 AM

Many breeders sell with limited registration because they do not want the dog bred for what ever reason. Show breeders do this to protect their bloodline and to keep an undersized or oversized or otherwise faulty puppy from being bred and its offspring ending up in the show ring by a unknowledgeable breeder. Many breeders sell the puppies at 12 weeks old and that is too young to have them spayed already. You can register any AKC dog with CKC or any of the registries if you have the AKC numbers of the parent. AKC is not too expensive considering all they do to protect the breeds. It just costs about $35 to get the litter registrations on a litter of 5. If you use a male for breeding more than 3 times in a year or 5 times lifetime then you have to pay $35 for a DNA kit so AKC will have the sires DNA on file. If you have more than 6 or 7 litters in a year then you can expect a visit from AKC and they will do a check on your breeding facilities. They check your breeding records and do spot DNA testing on any litters that you may have at that time.

Now, it is a total cop out to say that AKC charges too much. The truth of the matter is that some people change their dogs from AKC to other registries is because either they just want to breed their dog anyway (with limited registration you cannot register litter that dog may have with AKC), or as in many cases you have a puppy mill or unreputable breeder that does not or cannot use AKC because they do not want to be inspected, they have things to hide.

I must add that there are some reputable breeders that use other registries so as in any case when you buy a puppy you should check out everything. Generally, puppies that are not AKC are cheaper. If you are just looking for a pet it does not matter about the registry as long as they parents are good representatives of the breed and the breeder is knowledgeable. Do your homework. If you are not planning on breeding then it is a plus that a breeder is selling their pups with limited registration.

I might add that many reputable breeders withhold the papers totally until proof is provided that the puppy has been spayed or neutered. Buy doing this it can in some cases keep people from registering with other registries but it is very easy to get the AKC number on any dog if you know its registered name.

Brooklynn · 01-22-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fannie

I'm just curious... why would you not buy a dog with limited registration?

I'm curious as to why also....if you spay and neuter anyway why not buy one with a limited registration? I withhold papers until proof anyway...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Sugar's Mom · 01-22-2008, 02:05 PM

AKC is not expensive at all. in fact, it is cheaper than UKC (United Kennal Club). i paid $20 the other day to register my little male I am keeping to show AKC, then since I am only showing UKC until I learn how to show well, I turned right around and paid UKC $28. to register him.

JaLaYorkieGirl · 01-22-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I'm curious as to why also....if you spay and neuter anyway why not buy one with a limited registration? I withhold papers until proof anyway...

Ditto...that one has me scratching my head!

I personally would not buy a pet from a breeder who sells everything with full registration...how does that better the breed? When I bought my Siamese cat she was even limited registration and required to be spayed...

Brooklynn · 01-22-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl

Ditto...that one has me scratching my head!

I personally would not buy a pet from a breeder who sells everything with full registration...how does that better the breed? When I bought my Siamese cat she was even limited registration and required to be spayed...

Yeah this thread confuses me...why not buy with limited registration if you spay and neuter anyway...oh well...

MyFairLacy · 01-22-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl

Ditto...that one has me scratching my head!

I personally would not buy a pet from a breeder who sells everything with full registration...how does that better the breed? When I bought my Siamese cat she was even limited registration and required to be spayed...

I too would only buy from a breeder that sells pets on a strict spay/neuter contract with limited registration. I'm even okay with the breeder withholding papers until proof of spay/neuter. Lacy was a gift to me and I know she didn't come from a good breeder, but both my cats came from show breeders and were sold with a spay/neuter contract (actually, my newest one came from a breeder that spays/neuters all kittens before placing them in pet homes..so she was already spayed when I brought her home).

gypsyqueen · 01-22-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fannie

I'm just curious... why would you not buy a dog with limited registration?

however I think limeted reg. does not stop an idiot from breeding and its sad while it should serve a purpose it really does not solve the problem of irrisponsible breeding a female should be 2years and a certain size we know this is not the case.

fannie · 01-22-2008, 06:37 PM

That's why I spay/neuter before they are placed in pet homes.

01-21-2008, 09:36 PM	#1
gypsyqueen Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: las vegas Posts: 646	registration question I have a yorkie a maltese a sharpei all spayed Ive never bought a dog on limited registration and never will even though I spay my pets. Question people are changing from akc to other forms of registration saying reg. under akc is to costly I dont think so Im wondering if they buy a akc under limited reg. can they get papers under another club aka ,aca ,ckc cost of reg cannot be the only reason a breeder would change over if this is so maybe breeders have to spay first.

01-22-2008, 06:00 AM	#3
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,436	I'm just curious... why would you not buy a dog with limited registration? __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!www.sweetyorkies.com

01-22-2008, 02:05 PM	#6
Sugar's Mom Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 7,375	AKC is not expensive at all. in fact, it is cheaper than UKC (United Kennal Club). i paid $20 the other day to register my little male I am keeping to show AKC, then since I am only showing UKC until I learn how to show well, I turned right around and paid UKC $28. to register him. __________________ Dee and all the Pretty Babies!!!!!!!! at deeslilyorkshireterriers

01-22-2008, 06:37 PM	#11
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,436	That's why I spay/neuter before they are placed in pet homes. __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!www.sweetyorkies.com

01-22-2008, 05:21 AM	#2
kosoma Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 157	I'm not sure that I really understand your question....ACA is the only other registry I am familiar with. The registration for ACA is less expensive, and they do accept AKC registered dogs. Being limited has no bearing on whether or not they will accept them.

01-22-2008, 07:09 AM	#4
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,591	Many breeders sell with limited registration because they do not want the dog bred for what ever reason. Show breeders do this to protect their bloodline and to keep an undersized or oversized or otherwise faulty puppy from being bred and its offspring ending up in the show ring by a unknowledgeable breeder. Many breeders sell the puppies at 12 weeks old and that is too young to have them spayed already. You can register any AKC dog with CKC or any of the registries if you have the AKC numbers of the parent. AKC is not too expensive considering all they do to protect the breeds. It just costs about $35 to get the litter registrations on a litter of 5. If you use a male for breeding more than 3 times in a year or 5 times lifetime then you have to pay $35 for a DNA kit so AKC will have the sires DNA on file. If you have more than 6 or 7 litters in a year then you can expect a visit from AKC and they will do a check on your breeding facilities. They check your breeding records and do spot DNA testing on any litters that you may have at that time. Now, it is a total cop out to say that AKC charges too much. The truth of the matter is that some people change their dogs from AKC to other registries is because either they just want to breed their dog anyway (with limited registration you cannot register litter that dog may have with AKC), or as in many cases you have a puppy mill or unreputable breeder that does not or cannot use AKC because they do not want to be inspected, they have things to hide. I must add that there are some reputable breeders that use other registries so as in any case when you buy a puppy you should check out everything. Generally, puppies that are not AKC are cheaper. If you are just looking for a pet it does not matter about the registry as long as they parents are good representatives of the breed and the breeder is knowledgeable. Do your homework. If you are not planning on breeding then it is a plus that a breeder is selling their pups with limited registration. I might add that many reputable breeders withhold the papers totally until proof is provided that the puppy has been spayed or neutered. Buy doing this it can in some cases keep people from registering with other registries but it is very easy to get the AKC number on any dog if you know its registered name.