Help! My Yorkie Is Pregnant

[Mardelin]

[quote=Yorkie Dad;1572439]Mardelin's comment


"No bearing" is a bit too broad of a statement. Some bearing would be more precise. It is really mostly a matter of statistics. Traits by either parent are more likely to be passed on to the descendant. In this case, using a smaller male is more likely to produce smaller pups then using a larger male. Size is determined by a suite of genes so as Mardelin implies, using a small male is not a guarantee that the pups will come out small. The best predictor for the stud will be in looking at what he has already sired.
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Yes, probably a generalized statement.....but, without conducting a class on genetics and line breeding, it was probably best to generalize.

I have a very diminutive small male (line bred) that I bred to one of my females (6 1/2 pounds and line bred)......that throws pups between 5 & 7 pounds ( throws his dam and sire).

I bred the same female to a 6 1/2 pound male (also line bred) pups were between 3 1/2 and 5 pounds......

Attending several genetic/breeding classes and with a piece of expert advice given to me by mentor (40 years of breeding/exhibiting with over 100 Champions that she alone has finished).....if you happen to see a sire that you like, it is best to go back to his sire to breed to.....after all he is what threw what you liked.

[lisatodd]

wow, 3 lbs. i really wish you the best of luck. my only advise is (like dee stated), get an xray and make sure you are home as much as you can be.

what did your vet say to you about her size?

[RoxyJosMom]

Sending prayers for you, mom and pups for a safe delivery and healthy babies.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Dad

Mardelin's comment


"No bearing" is a bit too broad of a statement. Some bearing would be more precise. It is really mostly a matter of statistics. Traits by either parent are more likely to be passed on to the descendant. In this case, using a smaller male is more likely to produce smaller pups then using a larger male. Size is determined by a suite of genes so as Mardelin implies, using a small male is not a guarantee that the pups will come out small. The best predictor for the stud will be in looking at what he has already sired.

jenhenwood
The size of the pups in utero during the last week will be the best indication if Delilah will have problem or not with a natural delivery. Did your vet give you an indication of their size? Without any other information I would agree with Littlebit an Yorkieaddict that Delilah stands a greater then normal chance of needing a cesarean due to her small size.

Good luck! I hope you get some extra puppies beyond the two that were seen by your vet.

size of the stud doesnt hold much bearing...I have bred a 3.5lb male to 5.5lb female results varied from 5-8 lbs adult weight. I have also bred a 6.5lb male to 5.5 female results were 3.5-4.5 adult weight...Unlike Marys example (hers were line breeding) these breedings were total outcross ...

The best predictor for the stud will be in looking at what he has already sired this is not necessarily true a total outcross breeding will never mimic a previous litter.

I do not advocate breeding such a tiny little girl let alone having an intact male from a shunt litter be used as a stud accidental or not this litter should have and could have been prevented with merely responsible pet ownership!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

size of the stud doesnt hold much bearing...I have bred a 3.5lb male to 5.5lb female results varied from 5-8 lbs adult weight. I have also bred a 6.5lb male to 5.5 female results were 3.5-4.5 adult weight...Unlike Marys example (hers were line breeding) these breedings were total outcross ...

The best predictor for the stud will be in looking at what he has already sired this is not necessarily true a total outcross breeding will never mimic a previous litter.

I do not advocate breeding such a tiny little girl let alone having an intact male from a shunt litter be used as a stud accidental or not this litter should have and could have been prevented with merely responsible pet ownership!

Another excellent example: Repeat Breeding.....The sire and dam of my lil stud....

1st breeding produced : a beautiful Champion.....7 pound female, definately on the lighter side of blue

2nd breeding: produced my lil guy: very dark steel blue, diminutive in size and bone.....and a smooshy lil face that looks more like a girl

3rd breeding: produced another female champion....medium boned...a bit more of a terrier look and very, very dark

The only thing the 3 had in common was a gorgeous topline and beautiful movement....otherwise you couldn't have told they were siblings.

This thread was not started to start debate but, a plea for help......So many things to consider when breeding and much education is needed.

My concern is for your girl and puppies....her size is a concern.....the puppies may or may not be shunt (scary and I hope not) and your boy that should be nuetered....there is no DNA marker to date that determines whether or not he is a carrier....all it takes is the wrong two being put together and how the genes shake up.

[Ladyhawk]

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I do not advocate breeding such a tiny little girl let alone having an intact male from a shunt litter be used as a stud accidental or not this litter should have and could have been prevented with merely responsible pet ownership!

You are absolutely right!

I already answered in great detail in the OPs other thread--my reply there only mimics the answers given here, so this time I'll just say, "Yeah, what they said!"

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

You are absolutely right!

I already answered in great detail in the OPs other thread--my reply there only mimics the answers given here, so this time I'll just say, "Yeah, what they said!"

Another thing that I overlooked was the girl is 3 and it's her first breeding....another risk factor.

[jenhenwood]

Can you explain why her age and that this is her first breeding are considered an additional risk?

Thanks in advance.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jenhenwood

Can you explain why her age and that this is her first breeding are considered an additional risk?

Thanks in advance.

It is recommended to breed your female yorkie prior to the age of 3 because the bones in her reproductive area are set by that age. This can lead to a more difficult whelping process......dialation, etc.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by jenhenwood

Can you explain why her age and that this is her first breeding are considered an additional risk?
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In addition to allowing time to develop physically, it's ideal to let a dog mature emotionally before throwing it into parenthood...let them fully outgrow their 'puppy stage' if you will. I've heard the second heat, which sometimes can be 1 year--too early, IMO. The further out they are from reaching that needed level of maturity, the more risk you have for them not being the 'motherly type.'
As far as it being her first pregnancy--to me, that relates more to the uncertainty in knowing how your female will react individually. Will she be willing to take care of the pups? Will she be a free whelper, need assitance, a section? Once you understand your female's individual 'style,' it's a little easier to recognize what is 'normal' for her. (Most of the time.)
Hopefully that makes sense.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

In addition to allowing time to develop physically, it's ideal to let a dog mature emotionally before throwing it into parenthood...let them fully outgrow their 'puppy stage' if you will. I've heard the second heat, which sometimes can be 1 year--too early, IMO. The further out they are from reaching that needed level of maturity, the more risk you have for them not being the 'motherly type.'
As far as it being her first pregnancy--to me, that relates more to the uncertainty in knowing how your female will react individually. Will she be willing to take care of the pups? Will she be a free whelper, need assitance, a section? Once you understand your female's individual 'style,' it's a little easier to recognize what is 'normal' for her. (Most of the time.)
Hopefully that makes sense.

Bama,

I think she asked this question in reference to my posting her age "3" for her first breeding would be a concern.....

Mary

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Bama,

I think she asked this question in reference to my posting her age "3" for her first breeding would be a concern.....

Mary

Oh, I missed that....somehow I was translating it as the dog being extremely young...no wonder it confused me. My bad. OK, strike that then.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Oh, I missed that....somehow I was translating it as the dog being extremely young...no wonder it confused me. My bad. OK, strike that then.

So not like you.....you usually read every post before you post

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So not like you.....you usually read every post before you post

Hey, today was bath day AND I put up the Christmas tree...give me a break! Just didn't pay enough attention this time, I suppose.