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nuts4yorkies · 11-17-2007, 01:17 PM

Does anyone have any opinions on CKC registrations? It is still a purebred dog. What is the difference between the AKC and the CKC if they are purebred?

txshopper73 · 11-17-2007, 04:22 PM

I am not a fan of the C(oninental) Kennel Club and here is why...

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...yRegistrations

2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations.Canine Registration Applications are available in PDF format from our web site.

Now, how many dogs have people seen that could "pass" as purebred, but in fact are mixed?

Someone could have a yorkie/chi mix (for example) but the dog looks more like a yorkie and these people could get Joe Blow and his dingy wife down the street to "witness" for them and BAMMM...you can get a dog registered through CKC.

Or, you could have someone that has a yorkie/chi mix, takes pictures of a purebred yorkie, get Joe Blow and his dingy wife to sign and then you can get papers.

IMO, CKC is NOT a reputable club to go with. That's why I ONLY buy dogs that are AKC registered.

Ladyhawk · 11-18-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

I am not a fan of the C(oninental) Kennel Club and here is why...

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...yRegistrations

2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations.Canine Registration Applications are available in PDF format from our web site.

Now, how many dogs have people seen that could "pass" as purebred, but in fact are mixed?

Someone could have a yorkie/chi mix (for example) but the dog looks more like a yorkie and these people could get Joe Blow and his dingy wife down the street to "witness" for them and BAMMM...you can get a dog registered through CKC.

Or, you could have someone that has a yorkie/chi mix, takes pictures of a purebred yorkie, get Joe Blow and his dingy wife to sign and then you can get papers.

IMO, CKC is NOT a reputable club to go with. That's why I ONLY buy dogs that are AKC registered.

Yorkiekids · 11-18-2007, 07:12 AM

If you not showing or breeding and you like a pup I wouldn't shy away from it, because they don't where their registration around their necks.

YorkieRose · 11-18-2007, 09:16 AM

I feel at some point we have to take a stand...at one time I wasn't so hard nosed about sticking to AKC when buying a S/N pet...but if you go into any pet shop and ask for an AKC puppy you will rarely find them...so that means most commerical, volumne and profit breeders do not use AKC because of regulations...so if AKC with it's DNA, inspections, record keeping, "nose in the breeders business attitude" are keeping theses breeders away, then I want to support AKC...

PS..I called the local Puppy Palace and they have no AKC puppies ever they said...

Tx2Stepn · 11-18-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I feel at some point we have to take a stand...at one time I wasn't so hard nosed about sticking to AKC when buying a S/N pet...but if you go into any pet shop and ask for an AKC puppy you will rarely find them...so that means most commerical, volumne and profit breeders do not use AKC because of regulations...so if AKC with it's DNA, inspections, record keeping, "nose in the breeders business attitude" are keeping theses breeders away, then I want to support AKC...

PS..I called the local Puppy Palace and they have no AKC puppies ever they said...

Nicely stated...

journey826 · 11-21-2007, 02:13 PM

Well I live in michigan and all the pet shops out here sell yorkies akc yes akc with full breeding rights.most of them will be around 6-7 lbs but that is the standard I also know someone who got theirs in florida a boy akc and just amazing with the silk coat and deep steel blue coloring on the body and only three lbs at 11/2 years old.go figure

YorkieRose · 11-21-2007, 03:03 PM

I can only speak in my area..Puppy Palace said they never had AKC...they use APRI and ACA...I called a few other places and two had no AKC and the third had two AKC Bull dogs, but they were not bought from a broker..a pet breeder brought them in...
I think it is a matter of percentages...fewer and fewer are AKC each year.

Ladymom · 11-21-2007, 03:15 PM

It's also important to know that those two witnesses the CKC requires attesting to the fact that the dog is purebred do not have to be a vet, expert in the breed, show judge, or anyone who has any expertise or qualifications to judge the dog. You could have your Aunt sally attest to the fact that your dog is purebred.

CKC operates on the honor system and presumes that all the information is correct. It doesn't verify information, require DNA testing, etc. Obviously, that paves the way for unethical breeders to use this registry.

6. CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB accepts registration applications and issues certificates based on the honor and integrity of the owner/breeder applicants, and CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications.

YorkieRose · 11-21-2007, 06:19 PM

Honorable Yorkie breeders with integrity can be a rather short list...

TootiesMom · 11-21-2007, 06:50 PM

I can assure you that I own one of those "purebred" CKC pups... LOL... Tootie my man, is one of these....
I wouldnt trade him for the world, NOT EVER! He is the happiest, most loveable boy ever and I dont even know where his papers are... my vet says he thinks a poodle got in this henhouse... haha... but, o well, he is a "registered yorkie"...

My Hopey however is an AKC BEAUTY! She is exactly what a yorkie should be and is perfect...
I am totally happy with both of my babies, I have the best of both worlds!
d

larsensyorkies · 11-21-2007, 07:29 PM

Growing up we had an "AKC pure bred yorkie" that was 20lbs, curly hair and had a long nose and now my baby Kaylee is CKC and 6lbs, long silky hair and 100% yorkie. I think you just really have to know the breeder. AKC is accepted as the best registry here in the US, but it can easily be forged too and is more likely to have inbreeding because of its popularity so don't trust it blindly. I'm not trying to dis AKC (my Osbourne is from wonderful AKC breeding), just be sure to do your research whatever the registry.

EmrldShdwQueen · 11-21-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by larsensyorkies

Growing up we had an "AKC pure bred yorkie" that was 20lbs, curly hair and had a long nose and now my baby Kaylee is CKC and 6lbs, long silky hair and 100% yorkie. I think you just really have to know the breeder. AKC is accepted as the best registry here in the US, but it can easily be forged too and is more likely to have inbreeding because of its popularity so don't trust it blindly. I'm not trying to dis AKC (my Osbourne is from wonderful AKC breeding), just be sure to do your research whatever the registry.

Yes, I know a lot of people in my area are switching to CKC just because of all the extra fees involved with AKC. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. I haven't been breeding long enough to form an accurate analysis.

I only have one CKC dog...my first...Maddie. Here is a picture of her. She's definitely 100% Yorkie...BUT her parents were both AKC registered...he just didn't want to fool with AKC anymore and registered them CKC (he showed me the papers and the dogs). I had first pick on a girl and there were 3 to choose from. The other 2 were both AKC, but Maddie looked the most like a standard Yorkie and was the one who stole my heart. After her...all the rest have been AKC...

Here's a pic of Maddie...

fannie · 11-21-2007, 08:00 PM

I usually keep my mouth shut on these posts. But I feel the need to also say... you need to keep in mind that breeders that have switched from AKC more than likely were in trouble with them and had to. AKC regulations are NOT hard to follow. If you're breeding for the right reasons then you should have no problem following the rules.

EmrldShdwQueen · 11-21-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fannie

I usually keep my mouth shut on these posts. But I feel the need to also say... you need to keep in mind that breeders that have switched from AKC more than likely were in trouble with them and had to. AKC regulations are NOT hard to follow. If you're breeding for the right reasons then you should have no problem following the rules.

It may be that for some...but others it's just the money. I know some who I wasn't trying to buy a puppy from...just friends who talk constantly about the money they're constantly shelling out to AKC. I don't think it was the regulations. I also have several friends who say AKC screws things up a lot with blood tests, etc. and they have had to send the same DNA in multiple times that their expense because AKC made mistakes. Again, I'm undecided. I don't really know which I agree with...but I'm just stating that I wasn't talking about the regulations.

11-17-2007, 01:17 PM	#1
nuts4yorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sandpoint, ID Posts: 58	CKC registration.... Does anyone have any opinions on CKC registrations? It is still a purebred dog. What is the difference between the AKC and the CKC if they are purebred?

11-17-2007, 04:22 PM	#2
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	I am not a fan of the C(oninental) Kennel Club and here is why... http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...yRegistrations 2.Dogs over 6 months of age which have no previous Registration history may be registered by providing 2 witness signatures attesting to the purebred status of the dog along with 3 photos (front,left and right) of the dog to confirm it is ‘of proper breed type’ as defined by our current CKC Registration Rules and Regulations.Canine Registration Applications are available in PDF format from our web site. Now, how many dogs have people seen that could "pass" as purebred, but in fact are mixed? Someone could have a yorkie/chi mix (for example) but the dog looks more like a yorkie and these people could get Joe Blow and his dingy wife down the street to "witness" for them and BAMMM...you can get a dog registered through CKC. Or, you could have someone that has a yorkie/chi mix, takes pictures of a purebred yorkie, get Joe Blow and his dingy wife to sign and then you can get papers. IMO, CKC is NOT a reputable club to go with. That's why I ONLY buy dogs that are AKC registered. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

11-18-2007, 07:12 AM	#4
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,495	If you not showing or breeding and you like a pup I wouldn't shy away from it, because they don't where their registration around their necks. __________________ Susan, Piper ,Harley & Suiki

11-18-2007, 09:16 AM	#5
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	ckc I feel at some point we have to take a stand...at one time I wasn't so hard nosed about sticking to AKC when buying a S/N pet...but if you go into any pet shop and ask for an AKC puppy you will rarely find them...so that means most commerical, volumne and profit breeders do not use AKC because of regulations...so if AKC with it's DNA, inspections, record keeping, "nose in the breeders business attitude" are keeping theses breeders away, then I want to support AKC... PS..I called the local Puppy Palace and they have no AKC puppies ever they said...

11-21-2007, 02:13 PM	#7
journey826 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: yorkie town Posts: 876	not akc???? Well I live in michigan and all the pet shops out here sell yorkies akc yes akc with full breeding rights.most of them will be around 6-7 lbs but that is the standard I also know someone who got theirs in florida a boy akc and just amazing with the silk coat and deep steel blue coloring on the body and only three lbs at 11/2 years old.go figure __________________ YURI and SARAH Sassy,Rocki,and Ginger NEWBIE'"S

11-21-2007, 03:03 PM	#8
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Akc I can only speak in my area..Puppy Palace said they never had AKC...they use APRI and ACA...I called a few other places and two had no AKC and the third had two AKC Bull dogs, but they were not bought from a broker..a pet breeder brought them in... I think it is a matter of percentages...fewer and fewer are AKC each year.

11-21-2007, 03:15 PM	#9
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	It's also important to know that those two witnesses the CKC requires attesting to the fact that the dog is purebred do not have to be a vet, expert in the breed, show judge, or anyone who has any expertise or qualifications to judge the dog. You could have your Aunt sally attest to the fact that your dog is purebred. CKC operates on the honor system and presumes that all the information is correct. It doesn't verify information, require DNA testing, etc. Obviously, that paves the way for unethical breeders to use this registry. 6. CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB accepts registration applications and issues certificates based on the honor and integrity of the owner/breeder applicants, and CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

11-21-2007, 06:19 PM	#10
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	breeders Honorable Yorkie breeders with integrity can be a rather short list...

11-21-2007, 06:50 PM	#11
TootiesMom and Hopeys Mom Too Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,109	I can assure you that I own one of those "purebred" CKC pups... LOL... Tootie my man, is one of these.... I wouldnt trade him for the world, NOT EVER! He is the happiest, most loveable boy ever and I dont even know where his papers are... my vet says he thinks a poodle got in this henhouse... haha... but, o well, he is a "registered yorkie"... My Hopey however is an AKC BEAUTY! She is exactly what a yorkie should be and is perfect... I am totally happy with both of my babies, I have the best of both worlds! d __________________ Donna's little herd.... Tooties Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?271687 Hopeys Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?448723 and Tinker, TBone(RIP) Laci .. OH, and Me-Kitty(RIP) Last edited by TootiesMom; 11-21-2007 at 06:51 PM.

11-21-2007, 07:29 PM	#12
larsensyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 245	Growing up we had an "AKC pure bred yorkie" that was 20lbs, curly hair and had a long nose and now my baby Kaylee is CKC and 6lbs, long silky hair and 100% yorkie. I think you just really have to know the breeder. AKC is accepted as the best registry here in the US, but it can easily be forged too and is more likely to have inbreeding because of its popularity so don't trust it blindly. I'm not trying to dis AKC (my Osbourne is from wonderful AKC breeding), just be sure to do your research whatever the registry. Last edited by larsensyorkies; 11-21-2007 at 07:32 PM.

11-21-2007, 08:00 PM	#14
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,693	I usually keep my mouth shut on these posts. But I feel the need to also say... you need to keep in mind that breeders that have switched from AKC more than likely were in trouble with them and had to. AKC regulations are NOT hard to follow. If you're breeding for the right reasons then you should have no problem following the rules. __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!