Beware of breeder - Kram Haus Kennels - in Clever, MO - YorkieTalk.com Forums

s213062 · 01-29-2007, 06:24 AM

Hi. I posted a warning about this breeder under the breeder forum, however I wanted to make sure our regional yorkie talkers also got the post. I live in Kansas City and 2 weeks ago purchased a puppy from www.kramhaus.com in Clever, MO (right outside of Nixa by Springfield). When we got to her house she had several of her own dogs going to the bathroom wherever they wanted, and she didn't make any effort to clean it up. She brought our puppy out of a back room (she wouldn't allow us to go back there) and the little guy smelled terrible. He had urine and feces matted in his hair. It was obvious he had never been cleaned in his whole life. I did want to leave, but I felt so bad for this little puppy, I had to buy him. In the morning we took him to the vet (he was vomitting and bleeding out of his rectum). He had Giardia (a very contagious parasite) so we had him treated and also had to have our other yorkie treated because it is so contagious. I called Diana Kram and told her what had happened. She blamed the whole thing on me, saying I had stressed the puppy by giving him a bath and that is why he had Giardia. She refused to pay any vet bills even though she sold us a very sick puppy. The puppy also has a bladder infection (we're hoping that doesn't turn out to be something more). We've spent a lot of money in vet bills and have dealt with one of the rudest people I have ever met. Please beware.

lisatodd · 01-29-2007, 06:58 AM

That Is Aweful. I Wish You Hadn't Had Adopted Her But I Understand, You Wanted To Get Her Away From That Ugly Situation. Thanks For Letting Us Know. This Is The Best Way To Get The Word Out. If She Is Registered W Akc, Maybe You Ought To File A Complaint

lisatodd · 01-29-2007, 07:02 AM

Omg I Just Looked At The Website. These Dogs Look Aweful. Even The Breeder Females Looks Aweful. Some Of Them I Even Question If They Are A Full Breed.

itsrox · 01-29-2007, 09:56 AM

Unfortunately, you were caught up by a breeder who has a pretty bad reputation here (on YT) already. Well, no use making the situation any worse......just get your baby well and love him up. From the treatment he's had so far, he's gonna need it. Good luck with everything.

fannie · 02-07-2007, 11:55 AM

Oh wow... sounds like you ran into a bad situation. I hope that your baby is better now. Thank you for letting us know your situation though. It really does help others. Not all breeders in MO. are bad.

Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n · 03-21-2007, 02:58 AM

Oh my gosh !! i'm sowie to hear that you got into a bad situation w/ a puppy mill breeder !! Just looking @ the website the breeder's female and male's hair look gross all stringy and mated up now why would you post a pix of them like that ??
Thanks for the warning !!

xxmxaxrxyxx · 03-21-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by s213062

Hi. I posted a warning about this breeder under the breeder forum, however I wanted to make sure our regional yorkie talkers also got the post. I live in Kansas City and 2 weeks ago purchased a puppy from www.kramhaus.com in Clever, MO (right outside of Nixa by Springfield). When we got to her house she had several of her own dogs going to the bathroom wherever they wanted, and she didn't make any effort to clean it up. She brought our puppy out of a back room (she wouldn't allow us to go back there) and the little guy smelled terrible. He had urine and feces matted in his hair. It was obvious he had never been cleaned in his whole life. I did want to leave, but I felt so bad for this little puppy, I had to buy him. In the morning we took him to the vet (he was vomitting and bleeding out of his rectum). He had Giardia (a very contagious parasite) so we had him treated and also had to have our other yorkie treated because it is so contagious. I called Diana Kram and told her what had happened. She blamed the whole thing on me, saying I had stressed the puppy by giving him a bath and that is why he had Giardia. She refused to pay any vet bills even though she sold us a very sick puppy. The puppy also has a bladder infection (we're hoping that doesn't turn out to be something more). We've spent a lot of money in vet bills and have dealt with one of the rudest people I have ever met. Please beware.

Thanks for the heads up....I am always worried when I contact a breeder outside of my area...i like to see where and how they are living/treated...including the parents..and any other pets in the home...

Hope in the end everything works out for you!

furby2000 · 03-21-2007, 09:56 AM

So sad to hear you had such a terrible experience. Gosh I looked at that site and it gives me the creeps.... They are obviously a puppy mill... all those puppies look so sad and lonely. I hate how they call the moms "breeders", but of course they are nothing more to them than that

AMD · 03-21-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd

Omg I Just Looked At The Website. These Dogs Look Aweful. Even The Breeder Females Looks Aweful. Some Of Them I Even Question If They Are A Full Breed.

I agree!! Those dogs look terrible and unhappy

Poor babies....

JCarlson2004 · 03-21-2007, 10:06 AM

I'm SO sorry this happened to you but I can understand how you felt compelled to get that little guy out of their right away. I hope he feels better very soon. Thank you for sharing your story so that more people can be aware of this problem and avoid that awful "breeder" (and I use that term lightly ... she's more of a puppy mill to me!!

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Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n · 03-26-2007, 01:23 PM

thanks for the warning about this breeder i'll make sre to stay away from him !!

i hope that your baby gets better soon !!

s213062 · 04-03-2007, 07:34 AM

I just wanted to let everyone know I'm still working on the puppy mill, Kram Haus Kennels, where I purchased Braxton. Braxton is doing well now and his mommy is busy taking care of what happened through all legal avenues. I will soon be posting an article I'm working on advocating for a change in Missouri law to protect consumers in purchasing sick puppies. Many other states have what's known as puppy lemon laws which are statues that require the breeder/store to reimburse the purchaser for vet bills and require a mandatory health guarantee. Missouri is notoriously known as being a puppy mill state and I believe the lack of Missouri law definitely has something do with it. Thank you all for your responses and concern. I'll keep you updated!

kay6688 · 04-03-2007, 07:57 AM

Good for you! I also live in MO and not all breeders in MO are puppy mills like everyone thinks-I have had a great experience with where I got Jaxon from- 2 guys in Truxton, MO.

I have sent 6 friends to them over the past 2 years & everyone has had a great experience. Please let me know how you do on the law change-I believe that every state should have this passed-maybe some of those bad breeders will be put out of business!

xxmxaxrxyxx · 04-04-2007, 07:43 AM

thanks for the heads up!

Pipersmommy · 04-04-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by s213062

I just wanted to let everyone know I'm still working on the puppy mill, Kram Haus Kennels, where I purchased Braxton. Braxton is doing well now and his mommy is busy taking care of what happened through all legal avenues. I will soon be posting an article I'm working on advocating for a change in Missouri law to protect consumers in purchasing sick puppies. Many other states have what's known as puppy lemon laws which are statues that require the breeder/store to reimburse the purchaser for vet bills and require a mandatory health guarantee. Missouri is notoriously known as being a puppy mill state and I believe the lack of Missouri law definitely has something do with it. Thank you all for your responses and concern. I'll keep you updated!

I'm glad Braxton is doing better. I think it's wonderful what your doing.

01-29-2007, 06:24 AM	#1
s213062 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 13	Beware of breeder - Kram Haus Kennels - in Clever, MO Hi. I posted a warning about this breeder under the breeder forum, however I wanted to make sure our regional yorkie talkers also got the post. I live in Kansas City and 2 weeks ago purchased a puppy from www.kramhaus.com in Clever, MO (right outside of Nixa by Springfield). When we got to her house she had several of her own dogs going to the bathroom wherever they wanted, and she didn't make any effort to clean it up. She brought our puppy out of a back room (she wouldn't allow us to go back there) and the little guy smelled terrible. He had urine and feces matted in his hair. It was obvious he had never been cleaned in his whole life. I did want to leave, but I felt so bad for this little puppy, I had to buy him. In the morning we took him to the vet (he was vomitting and bleeding out of his rectum). He had Giardia (a very contagious parasite) so we had him treated and also had to have our other yorkie treated because it is so contagious. I called Diana Kram and told her what had happened. She blamed the whole thing on me, saying I had stressed the puppy by giving him a bath and that is why he had Giardia. She refused to pay any vet bills even though she sold us a very sick puppy. The puppy also has a bladder infection (we're hoping that doesn't turn out to be something more). We've spent a lot of money in vet bills and have dealt with one of the rudest people I have ever met. Please beware.

01-29-2007, 06:58 AM	#2
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,459	That Is Aweful. I Wish You Hadn't Had Adopted Her But I Understand, You Wanted To Get Her Away From That Ugly Situation. Thanks For Letting Us Know. This Is The Best Way To Get The Word Out. If She Is Registered W Akc, Maybe You Ought To File A Complaint __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

01-29-2007, 07:02 AM	#3
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,459	Omg I Just Looked At The Website. These Dogs Look Aweful. Even The Breeder Females Looks Aweful. Some Of Them I Even Question If They Are A Full Breed. __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

01-29-2007, 09:56 AM	#4
itsrox Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 206	Unfortunately, you were caught up by a breeder who has a pretty bad reputation here (on YT) already. Well, no use making the situation any worse......just get your baby well and love him up. From the treatment he's had so far, he's gonna need it. Good luck with everything. __________________ Cali's Mom in the ATL!! Cali and I have (finally) been egged.

02-07-2007, 11:55 AM	#5
fannie Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,421	Oh wow... sounds like you ran into a bad situation. I hope that your baby is better now. Thank you for letting us know your situation though. It really does help others. Not all breeders in MO. are bad. __________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies!www.sweetyorkies.com

03-21-2007, 02:58 AM	#6
Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Residenting in Wichita, Ks / Hometown in Arlington, Tx Posts: 6,705	Oh my gosh !! i'm sowie to hear that you got into a bad situation w/ a puppy mill breeder !! Just looking @ the website the breeder's female and male's hair look gross all stringy and mated up now why would you post a pix of them like that ?? Thanks for the warning !!

03-21-2007, 09:56 AM	#8
furby2000 Lil' Divas mom Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,311	So sad to hear you had such a terrible experience. Gosh I looked at that site and it gives me the creeps.... They are obviously a puppy mill... all those puppies look so sad and lonely. I hate how they call the moms "breeders", but of course they are nothing more to them than that __________________ Tiffany http://www.dogster.com/?447329 & Lola http://www.dogster.com/dogs/634788

03-21-2007, 10:06 AM	#10
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,108	I'm SO sorry this happened to you but I can understand how you felt compelled to get that little guy out of their right away. I hope he feels better very soon. Thank you for sharing your story so that more people can be aware of this problem and avoid that awful "breeder" (and I use that term lightly ... she's more of a puppy mill to me!! ) __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

03-26-2007, 01:23 PM	#11
Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Residenting in Wichita, Ks / Hometown in Arlington, Tx Posts: 6,705	thanks for the warning about this breeder i'll make sre to stay away from him !! i hope that your baby gets better soon !!

04-03-2007, 07:34 AM	#12
s213062 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City Posts: 13	I'm still working on the case I just wanted to let everyone know I'm still working on the puppy mill, Kram Haus Kennels, where I purchased Braxton. Braxton is doing well now and his mommy is busy taking care of what happened through all legal avenues. I will soon be posting an article I'm working on advocating for a change in Missouri law to protect consumers in purchasing sick puppies. Many other states have what's known as puppy lemon laws which are statues that require the breeder/store to reimburse the purchaser for vet bills and require a mandatory health guarantee. Missouri is notoriously known as being a puppy mill state and I believe the lack of Missouri law definitely has something do with it. Thank you all for your responses and concern. I'll keep you updated!

04-03-2007, 07:57 AM	#13
kay6688 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,075	Good for you! I also live in MO and not all breeders in MO are puppy mills like everyone thinks-I have had a great experience with where I got Jaxon from- 2 guys in Truxton, MO. I have sent 6 friends to them over the past 2 years & everyone has had a great experience. Please let me know how you do on the law change-I believe that every state should have this passed-maybe some of those bad breeders will be put out of business! __________________ Jaxon's Mom Kay Member of the The Little Gentleman's Club Order Your Cookbook!!! go to:http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=118049

04-04-2007, 07:43 AM	#14
xxmxaxrxyxx BANNED FROM SHOPPING!! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 9,487 Blog Entries: 5	thanks for the heads up! __________________ Kaine Kandie Tootsie Yoshiko MeiLing Kioko Tootsie Smokey \|\| Yoshi Mochi \|\| MeiLing Kacy \|\| Kioko is still searching for his Cinderella.