Somewhat controversial

[gemy]

ISLAM, DOGS, AND PERSONAL RIGHTS | TheDogPress.com

[Yorkiemom1]

I have wondered how the next line of attack would come, how it would be disguised, what it would be disguised as, what the strategy would be, and exactly what/who the "point man" would be. OMG!! Thanks for sharing this....now we know where the next line of defense against making pet ownership illegal in this country, (which has been in the works for at least 30 years but was so far fetched an idea, it was considered by the masses as some "conspiracy theory" some crazy dog people had dreamed up) must be watched closely/shored up. I can promise you, partnerships are being formed and deals are being made and payments being guaranteed and paid, as we speak!! These subversive unions are being formed, and quietly being put into place, to step into political/religious positions that will guarantee the results they have fought for many, many years. Be alert and cautious and vigilant and most importantly, be cognizant of who you are voting for, to fill positions that will have an impact on you as a pet owner. REALLY know who you are placing in particular positions and what they believe and feel as far as pet ownership is concerned....they will "blow it off" like an unimportant after thought, insignificant in todays issues, but when they come to take your pet, it wont be so insignificant! We already have "organizations" stealing dogs right out of people's yards and from their front porches, and euthanizing them, boldly pulling up in the "company vehicle" with the name plastered all over it....

When we first went to Kuwait way back in 1955, we lived in camps set up by the oil company we were there with....consisted of 8 x 30 foot mobile homes for the families to live in, circled around a refinery, in the middle of the desert. We were families, with children in most of those families, and we were always dragging home stray this and stray that....including puppies that we may find in the desert, left by mother dogs for whatever reason....and we always wondered why, after most of us kids had adopted these little stray puppies, and made pets of them, suddenly, one day, all the little puppies would end up getting into poison....strychnine.....that had been placed in bits of meat all around the camp. We were told it was to kill the massive hordes of grasshoppers that swarmed annually.....when I was much older, it dawned on me grasshoppers do not eat meat, puppies and kittens do. My last little puppy named Nicky, died in my arms from strychnine poisoning, as this 7 year old kid ran from trailer to trailer, trying to find someone that could help my dying puppy........never forgot that.......

[gemy]

This is a pretty scarey article. And as if dog lovers and owners need to defend themselves against yet another front! Although that front has deeply divisive ideaology which is outside the scope of this dog forum.


I do notice as our Muslim community increases in numbers around my residential area that many Muslims will cross the street when they see me and my dog walking. A few years ago I thought nothing of it just folks scared of a big dog - but now as it increases in frequency - I wonder what is the next shoe to drop? Our closest local park grounds are continuous with the elementary school ground and it is busy park in early evening with baseball and soccer games going on plus a childrens playground - will they petition our local council person to ban dogs in this public park?

[maxdog]

I am sooooo biting my tongue right now.

[yorkiemini]

Last summer I took my granddaughter to the Metropolitan Museum in New York City. While there, with my Service Dog, I noted a middle eastern man and 4 women only because they were speaking Farsi - I grew up in the Middle East. A few minutes later he walked over to me and asked me to remove myself and my dog because he found it to be offensive

Keep in mind I grew up in the Middle East, but I was taken aback to have this happen in NYC. While the docent was trying to get over to us, I think to explain the Service Dog thing to the man, I told the man in very clear Farsi, respectfully, that he was not in control there.

For a Middle Eastern man that was quite a statement from a woman in his own language yet. The docent showed up about that time and I walked on.

When I am in another country I do all i can to comply with their mores and habits and I think it is not unreasonable of us to be polite but expect the same of visitors to the USA. I believe we are going to need to get stronger about what our standards and values are if we want to keep them ! Just my opinion🇺🇸

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by yorkiemini

Last summer I took my granddaughter to the Metropolitan Museum in New York City. While there, with my Service Dog, I noted a middle eastern man and 4 women only because they were speaking Farsi - I grew up in the Middle East. A few minutes later he walked over to me and asked me to remove myself and my dog because he found it to be offensive

Keep in mind I grew up in the Middle East, but I was taken aback to have this happen in NYC. While the docent was trying to get over to us, I think to explain the Service Dog thing to the man, I told the man in very clear Farsi, respectfully, that he was not in control there.

For a Middle Eastern man that was quite a statement from a woman in his own language yet. The docent showed up about that time and I walked on.

When I am in another country I do all i can to comply with their mores and habits and I think it is not unreasonable of us to be polite but expect the same of visitors to the USA. I believe we are going to need to get stronger about what our standards and values are if we want to keep them ! Just my opinion🇺🇸

Your response was priceless and I can only imagine the shocked look you received from that man! Great for YOU!!!

When years later, traveling back to Saudi Arabia as medical procedures/personnel/treatments/training of staff in the hospital in Riyadh with DeBakey and Methodist Hospital, with the blessings and close working relationship we had with the King of Saudi Arabia, there were definate rules and regulations and behaviors the Americans had to follow closely.....one of the nurses "misbehaved" and she was sent back home immediately. No acceptable excuses, no explanations, no exceptions to the rules even though she was there to teach staff how to operate monitoring equipment and surgical procedures...... just get out!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Even in the Bible dogs were looked on as unclean, seemed to be treated more like livestock- seems to be an ancient cultural more and even religious position of the Middle Eastern countries that is changing more and more as the world grows smaller and dogs became even more domesticated, recognized as sentient, caring beings, kept clean, disease-free and moved from the barnyard into the home, apartments, penthouses! Seems like the further West you go, the more dogs are a part of life and a part of the family and a chunk of your heart!

Maybe in parts of the other country where fundamentalism is practiced dog-shunning is acceptable but not here! Uh-uh. America is the land of the free, home of the brave and we don't mind standing up to anybody trying to change anything about sharing our lives with America's best little "citizens". And we're free from people coming here and imposing their beliefs, rules and mores on ours. Don't like dogs - too bad. America is sold on dogs and always will be. Too many of us live alone with only a dog for a constant companion and family - and would never stand for that right to have a family member taken from us.

Besides, anyone who doesn't get dogs is seriously lacking some of the best life has to offer so I can only hope they "evolve" in that area and maybe it's time they were drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century! But, loll - you'll take my Tibbe from me over my cold, dead body but he'd bite you first for trying to part us! And being a Yorkie, he feels he's got just as big a say in the matter as a human !

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

Even in the Bible dogs were looked on as unclean, seemed to be treated more like livestock- seems to be an ancient cultural more and even religious position of the Middle Eastern countries that is changing more and more as the world grows smaller and dogs became even more domesticated, recognized as sentient, caring beings, kept clean, disease-free and moved from the barnyard into the home, apartments, penthouses! Seems like the further West you go, the more dogs are a part of life and a part of the family and a chunk of your heart!

Maybe in parts of the other country where fundamentalism is practiced dog-shunning is acceptable but not here! Uh-uh. America is the land of the free, home of the brave and we don't mind standing up to anybody trying to change anything about sharing our lives with America's best little "citizens". And we're free from people coming here and imposing their beliefs, rules and mores on ours. Don't like dogs - too bad. America is sold on dogs and always will be. Too many of us live alone with only a dog for a constant companion and family - and would never stand for that right to have a family member taken from us.

Besides, anyone who doesn't get dogs is seriously lacking some of the best life has to offer so I can only hope they "evolve" in that area and maybe it's time they were drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century! But, loll - you'll take my Tibbe from me over my cold, dead body but he'd bite you first for trying to part us! And being a Yorkie, he feels he's got just as big a say in the matter as a human !

Of course he does!! Look at that adorable face in your avitar!!! "Woo, woo, woooooo" says Tibbe, in agreement!!!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Hmmm....that last sentence in that second paragraph of Post #7 is totally messed up but ya'll get my meaning! USA Dogs!

[MarkFromSea]

Spooky article and a sign of things to come. The more tolerant the larger population becomes the more we end up losing, rights, privileges, things we've worked hard for.

There's another issue being shoved down the throats of the masses by muslims, halal certified foods. Australia just went through some thing to do with it. WI or a state near there recently had an issue as well.

Something is not right when the few mandate to the many how things are going to work, but, we've been heading down that road for decades in this country, the courts have been their instrument. Some changes were required to right some wrongs but so many are simply frivolous.

[Wylie's Mom]

If dogs are deemed "spiritually unclean", I want nothing to do with whomever defines "spirit" in that manner bc to me, dogs are about as close to being a pure spirit as anything -- they are really the only creature I can think of who offers unconditional love. Isn't that rather "spiritual" or, "God-like" if you will? If that's unclean, I'm happy being dirty then .

I try to respect others' religions but people need to understand that religion is merely a belief/tenet - it's NOT fact. Therefore, don't impose you're non-facts upon me, please. There is a quote I've always found utterly fascinating, and it goes like this -- "When you understand why you dismiss all other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours". Interesting.

[gemy]

To me what is one of the key issues is that - our immigration policy does not clearly state the expectation that the immigrant knows this is a secular society and we are a free and democratic society that can not and will not tolerate certain practices. Such as female circumsion, abortion based on gender preferences, sharia law, forced marriages, and the list goes on.


The province of Quebec has changed its immigration policy to clearly delineate what is expected of the immigrant and what they can expect


Practice your religion all you want in your churches and mosques and temples, but you must abide by the laws of our land, and when in public what is the public practice of our nation!!!!


If you can't or won't abide by this quite simply do not immigrate here!

[yorkiemini]

Originally Posted by gemy

To me what is one of the key issues is that - our immigration policy does not clearly state the expectation that the immigrant knows this is a secular society and we are a free and democratic society that can not and will not tolerate certain practices. Such as female circumsion, abortion based on gender preferences, sharia law, forced marriages, and the list goes on.


The province of Quebec has changed its immigration policy to clearly delineate what is expected of the immigrant and what they can expect


Practice your religion all you want in your churches and mosques and temples, but you must abide by the laws of our land, and when in public what is the public practice of our nation!!!!


If you can't or won't abide by this quite simply do not immigrate here!

I understand Australia has taken similar policies along the line Canada has
Unfortunately, it seems many countries do not have the guts to do this - and they are being "invaded" and dictated to in droves.

Like is said before, unless we stand up for our values and beliefs we are going to lose them! Others seem more passionate about bringing their doctrines than we are interested in maintaining ours. Good for Canada

[buddybear]

Disgusting....if they don't or will not assimilate into the country they choose to go to then send them back to where ever they come from!!!!!!!!!!
They have no problem insulting my freedom and faith......well I was born here an I refuse to give one inch for my standards.

[ShowGirlLola]

Here's an article from 2012 that's very similar to the one posted
Are Muslims in Europe Waging Jihad Against Dogs? | Opposing Views
And here's an article from 2006 about disabled people with guide dogs being denied buses and cabs. I'm curious about how often this happens and how many articles are referencing the same incident with more or less detail.
'Unclean' guide dog banned by Muslim cab driver | Daily Mail Online