Who Should Be Held Accountable?

[livingdustmops]

The Kennel Club with their judges, the Parent Clubs who set the standards, or the breeders who breed dogs with severe health issues? This happened in England and is a good topic for discussion.

[Micah my love]

Cindy do you have a ladle in your hand LOL

[livingdustmops]

Noooo but I am trying to keep the other thread on topic and this issue was popping up so I decided to start a new one.. I really would like more people to discuss some of these tough issues as I think it helps the dogs and helps educate people.

[dwerten]

thanks cindy

I just want to understand why inbreeding goes on as with it not being allowed in humans why in dogs and wouldn't it hurt them genetically as it does humans?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Noooo but I am trying to keep the other thread on topic and this issue was popping up so I decided to start a new one.. I really would like more people to discuss some of these tough issues as I think it helps the dogs and helps educate people.

thanks Cindy as i want to understand more - sorry i went off topic

[livingdustmops]

When I first came on YT the very best breeders always said only someone with tons of experience should be inbreeding/linebreeding and even then be aware of what they could be doing...it is not for the faint of heart.

I honestly don't know if a lot of breeders are doing this in the Yorkies..I know in the Biewers they have been because so many first time breeders started breeding them without a full understanding of genetics and COI. Stud books are not closed but many people are not getting enough diversity in their lines.

In fact I have read where it has been discussed to re-open some of the stud books in established breeds because there is not enough diversity. I have also read where some breeders are bringing in other lines to stop deafness in dalmations but now the cry is these dogs are no longer pure..

I am sure some very experienced breeders can discuss this better than me.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

When I first came on YT the very best breeders always said only someone with tons of experience should be inbreeding/linebreeding and even then be aware of what they could be doing...it is not for the faint of heart.

I honestly don't know if a lot of breeders are doing this in the Yorkies..I know in the Biewers they have been because so many first time breeders started breeding them without a full understanding of genetics and COI. Stud books are not closed but many people are not getting enough diversity in their lines.

In fact I have read where it has been discussed to re-open some of the stud books in established breeds because there is not enough diversity. I have also read where some breeders are bringing in other lines to stop deafness in dalmations but now the cry is these dogs are no longer pure..

I am sure some very experienced breeders can discuss this better than me.

ok thanks i just want to understand why as i know mine is inbred but i think my girl is an accident though sadly

I just hear about line breeding and want to understand more about it so thanks

I know there is no guarantee in humans nor animals with health but i just think we have to give them the best possible chance upfront.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by dwerten

ok thanks i just want to understand why as i know mine is inbred but i think my girl is an accident though sadly

I just hear about line breeding and want to understand more about it so thanks

I know there is no guarantee in humans nor animals with health but i just think we have to give them the best possible chance upfront.

How far back have you studied the pedigrees to see how linebreed she was?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

How far back have you studied the pedigrees to see how linebreed she was?

honestly have not researched anything at all as so busy with taking care of her lollll but need to learn about it so maybe i could send the info and you could help lolll?? i do not know anything about this stuff I want to learn though

her breeder was real nice and i know dd was an accident and she is limited akc which was good she did that. I do not blame her at all and i blame myself for not doing any homework as she was upfront - she had a dog die of rabies vaccine, she said dd was an accident, and dd was limited akc so i could not breed her. I found her in the penny saver lolllll

[jencar98]

Would not the breeder be responsible? Especially if they continue to breed a specific breed that because of the set breed standards, has known severe health issues. The breeders should unite their voting to change standards, and abide by them or not breed that type of dog

[luvdorkyyorkies]

I would think the breeder would be accountable since it starts with them.
Some of the nicest healthiest puppies I have with laid back personalities have been with very lil lineage breeding if any. BUt I dont show nor do I know to much about it.
Hope you dont mind me responding.

[Cha Cha]

My first thought is that breeders should be responsible. They are the ones in charge of picking out their breeding stock and going forth with questionable matings and we all know that not everyone who purchases a puppy goes ahead and registers it, so that doesn't give the registeries much ground for enforcement especially in the "pet" market. If people realize they have to take responsibility for the puppies they produce by paying vet bills for sick puppies or genetic problems, then they may think twice about wanting their beloved pet to be a mommy. Reducing numbers and healthier animals is really the goal and lower numbers will hurt the registeries too so regardless, if the numbers drop in the puppies produced, the money drops to the registries too. So it would be in everyone best interest to work together for the sake of the animals. Also, (sorry to ramble), in terms of linebreeding/inbreeding, I think a lot of people mate their dogs, then look at pedigrees later (if they even have pedigrees to know the breeding) creating at least part of the problem. However, for the experienced breeding programs, someone once told me it like this... it is linebreeding when it is successful, and inbreeding when it is not.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Cha Cha

My first thought is that breeders should be responsible. They are the ones in charge of picking out their breeding stock and going forth with questionable matings and we all know that not everyone who purchases a puppy goes ahead and registers it, so that doesn't give the registeries much ground for enforcement especially in the "pet" market. If people realize they have to take responsibility for the puppies they produce by paying vet bills for sick puppies or genetic problems, then they may think twice about wanting their beloved pet to be a mommy. Reducing numbers and healthier animals is really the goal and lower numbers will hurt the registeries too so regardless, if the numbers drop in the puppies produced, the money drops to the registries too. So it would be in everyone best interest to work together for the sake of the animals. Also, (sorry to ramble), in terms of linebreeding/inbreeding, I think a lot of people mate their dogs, then look at pedigrees later (if they even have pedigrees to know the breeding) creating at least part of the problem. However, for the experienced breeding programs, someone once told me it like this... it is linebreeding when it is successful, and inbreeding when it is not.

yeah i never registered dd with akc still have her papers - I went to pet expo and saw akc there so asked about everything and asked if they report the health issues when i register her and she said no they really do not do that

why should i even register her if i am not breeding or showing and she is limited akc ? just curious

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

When I first came on YT the very best breeders always said only someone with tons of experience should be inbreeding/linebreeding and even then be aware of what they could be doing...it is not for the faint of heart.

I honestly don't know if a lot of breeders are doing this in the Yorkies..I know in the Biewers they have been because so many first time breeders started breeding them without a full understanding of genetics and COI. Stud books are not closed but many people are not getting enough diversity in their lines.

In fact I have read where it has been discussed to re-open some of the stud books in established breeds because there is not enough diversity. I have also read where some breeders are bringing in other lines to stop deafness in dalmations but now the cry is these dogs are no longer pure..

I am sure some very experienced breeders can discuss this better than me.

Here's a link that may help you make a decision. http://www.breedingbetterdogs.com/ar...tts_fomula.pdf

[TLC]

I would like to see the specific Breed Clubs step away from AKC. Honestly, it seems (from your wonderful and informative posts) that the AKC is a HUGE problem, and I honestly don't see them making ANY changes to better ANY breed. I am sick just thinking of Hunt and AKC "buddy-buddy"

IMO the AKC should be held accountable. As that is where all the millers are registering to, because and AKC dog is more valuable and holds more prestige for the Petshops and Brokers and BYB. It is really amazing to think how much change would come if it all started up top at the AKC