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Originally Posted by ladyjane  Interesting that you mention people being on "high horses" when all they are doing is stating facts.
I really don't know what to say to someone like you. You seem to think that it is ok to break the law....or just break the ones you don't like???
Very confusing rhetoric to me.
BUT....first of all, unless I leave my pups unattended, there is no chance of losing one to a hawk; so I really don't understand the justification of killing one.
Sneaking a pup onto a plane? We have had that discussion here before and I find it a bit ridiculous but whatever. It is not worth it to me to be embarrassed over something like that for such a small amount of money. BUT someone like you who does not care to protect her pup, me or other humans from the chance of rabies does concern me.
Your thinking imho is just flawed. I "get" that there are chances of vaccine reactions; but they are not as common as you wish to believe and most are not life threatening. Of course if a person loses a pup due to anaphylactic shock, they would certainly be leary. You said you lied and told people your pup died....I for the life of me don't find that in the least bit humorous. It disturbs me greatly.
So, as i see all this you DID mean to offend because you clearly don't like hearing facts/truth. |
I made the choice, after my dog had a horrible reaction to the rabies vaccination and under the direction of a vet not to give her the shot again. I went to the second vet because I " Knew" something was not right and the first one insisted he had no idea what could have caused all the trouble. I sought out one who had experience the same thing happening to more than one dog under his care and who knew immediately what the problem was and who also offered a suggestion as to what a solution could be. As he was willing to put it in writing (as were 4 additional vets in the area through the next 12 years) I doubt that what they were doing would be considered illegal because it WOULD be foolish to risk their vet license if it were. But I honestly don't know because I am not a vet. All I know is I was given a waiver and told that with that letter- it was OK not to give my dog the rabies shot again..so I did not break any laws (at least not in CA as far as I know)
When I tried to show the letter to the "City of San Carlos" which is different from the COUNTY of San Mateo- they couldn't get that it could endanger my dog's life to get another shot. It IS an unusual circumstance and one they had never dealt with previously( so the didn't have provisions to handle it). After trying to communicate with them that this was a special circumstance-and it was also vet suggested and approved IN WRITING- I resorted ( In a fit of frustrated sarcasm) to telling them "I no longer had my dog" because they didn't care if the shot could endanger my dog or not. All they wanted was their i's dotted and their t's crossed. And truly...even though I do feel somewhat attacked by you- I was not trying to disturb anyone or to offend. I was simply trying to help Izzy's Mom who was asking if any of us had ever seen or experienced something similar to what Izzy was going through. My dog did have very similar symptoms.
And not once..in the entire 12 years of her life did Chanel ever "Hit the ground" outside when I wasn't right there with her on a leash. If a dog I wasn't familiar with came near- I picked her up and left. So there was NO chance of her getting rabies. And yes once when I was walking her on a leash, a hawk swooped down like it was going to try and pick her up and I stepped in between her and the bird. The bird re-thought it's menu plans. But had it not, I was fully prepared to defend my dog with my bare hands at the hawks expense.( legal or not- And had it come down to it I would have served jail time gladly if killing a hawk was what it took to save my little girl!) So with my dog as with yours, there was also NO chance of a hawk getting her without going through me.
And thank god reactions to the rabies vaccine are NOT common. But I think Izzy's mom needs to be aware that it "COULD" be something to be concerned about. It WAS with my dog. Wouldn't you feel awful if you told her to turn a blind eye because it was nothing and the next shot killed Izzy?
And YOU obviously have a problem with anyone who has a differing opinion or set of experiences than yours. And I truly regret that. I have seen people jump all over others on this site for minor things. But isn't this site to bring together all the best information possible in all things regarding our dogs? After the first vet acted so clueless I learned to do my own homework. I have done HOURS of research during my dogs life and spend 1000's on vet bills through fighting kidney disease for the last 5 years of her life. I could write books on diets for dogs dealing with kidney problems. My dog was not only under the supervision of a vet at all times- she was also under a canine opthamologist for the last 3 years of her life, she had a transfusion because of anemia brought on by the low protein diet required for kidney disease. I took extremely good care of her for her entire life and I learned a LOT. One of those experiences I believed could possibly be of interest to Izzy's mom so I posted it. I am very sorry if you disagree with the way I handled my dogs rabies treatment or the advice I offered. I got the best information I could from the most qualified vets around and made what I considered the best choice for my dog. My breeder ALSO supported my decision. None of us are perfect but I can honestly say I did my best based on what I knew at the time. And while I hope YOU are correct and Izzy will be just fine and able to get his next rabies vaccination with no trouble. If I were Izzy's Mom I would appreciate knowing there was someone out there like me, who has gone through the same worries and symptoms who wasn't afraid to take the time to share the POSSIBILITY that it might be something to be worried about.
But don't ever insinuate that I didn't take care of my dog. My vet literally told me that if I needed a reference he would be more than willing to let them know (His words) "That I am the best doggie mom he has seen in 17 years of practice" I have also fostered " Special needs tinies" for agencies here in California. I'm not ignorant or irresponsible. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether Izzy's mom should ignore the lump. And that is FINE by me. It is Izzy's mom's call to make after reading all the information she can to make an educated decision- but I'll bet she is glad I posted. If it were me I would have been grateful when it happened to me 12 years ago.
I have spent enough time stating my point of view and provided links to back it up. There is no need to be insulting.